video of fight on bus

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I don't understand either of the 2 throws by the brotha. Neither shot is anywhere near the old man's head. If you aren't gunna throw headshots, then why would you start the fight?

[AeWingnut]

Old man did get up and walk away from a fight but the dumbass wanted to show him who was boss. Old man was crazy.

[joeydb]

Uh, why can't we just have a normal bus ride? Life's too short as it is. Regardless of who started it, why do we have to fight with someone we don't even know?

I would rather have witnessed a random act of kindness, but I guess that's the Christian in me talking.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Uh, why can't we just have a normal bus ride? Life's too short as it is. Regardless of who started it, why do we have to fight with someone we don't even know?

I would rather have witnessed a random act of kindness, but I guess that's the Christian in me talking.

Christian? You could of fooled me. You know there are a lot of jobs that don't provide health care. People consider themselves lucky to have the job, but they don't have access to any affordable health care plan. If a lady in that situation gets breast cancer, she's not gunna know it until the symptoms are pretty bad. I don't see your whole Conservative game plan as Christian at all (AT ALL.) It's (obviously) the party for the selfish. I don't know how people couch it as Christian. It's almost 100% in conflict with many of Christ's teachings. "WHATEVER YOU DID UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST, YOU DID UNTO ME." People rationalize it away, but you would think it'd be more important to Christians than it often appears to be. Maybe they think Christ didn't really mean it, or he was naive. That it? You must have some way to rationalize all the things the Conservatives do to fight against helping the people Christ was talking about. I've never understood how so many people rationalize their actions. It's amazing.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Christian? You could of fooled me. You know there are a lot of jobs that don't provide health care. People consider themselves lucky to have the job, but they don't have access to any affordable health care plan. If a lady in that situation gets breast cancer, she's not gunna know it until the symptoms are pretty bad. I don't see your whole Conservative game plan as Christian at all (AT ALL.) It's (obviously) the party for the selfish. I don't know how people couch it as Christian. It's almost 100% in conflict with many of Christ's teachings. "WHATEVER YOU DID UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST, YOU DID UNTO ME." People rationalize it away, but you would think it'd be more important to Christians than it often appears to be. Maybe they think Christ didn't really mean it, or he was naive. That it? You must have some way to rationalize all the things the Conservatives do to fight against helping the people Christ was talking about. I've never understood how so many people rationalize their actions. It's amazing.

Well the government taking more money from some to give to others as the redistribution of wealth falls under the "Thou shalt not steal" part. I also don't think Christ would have been amused by the "Robbing Peter to pay Paul" situation, pun intended.

You are also rationalizing quite a bit. Socialism does NOT fall under Christian teachings. Charity, yes, of course, but stealing from the achievers to give to others is not charity. That is compulsory, and as such is often warped into making those who carry out the policy more powerful and often more evil. Have you also overlooked the contempt that Christ had for the tax collectors of his time, save Matthew who became an apostle and left that life behind?

Communism, socialism, progressivism and whatever other shades of gray you wish to paint are all corruptions of the human spirit. They suppress creativity and progress and reward those who wish to let others carry the burden.

I'm also amazed that you took a comment I made, against the obvious violence in the video, and twist that into a disagreement we apparently have on healthcare legislation. Scuds, you got a problem. Switch to decaf will ya?

[The Bid]

Old white guy was in a handride. No telling how much ass he kicked when he was young. That guy shot his mouth off and got crowned. How funny is that.

The funniest part is he gave that kid every opportunity to look like he was the man. Moved seats, let him jaw. He had to come up there with the slap move and get dropped

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Old white guy was in a handride. No telling how much ass he kicked when he was young. That guy shot his mouth off and got crowned. How funny is that.

The funniest part is he gave that kid every opportunity to look like he was the man. Moved seats, let him jaw. He had to come up there with the slap move and get dropped

Odds the old dude is a former Airborne Ranger or Marine... 1/9

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I'm also amazed that you took a comment I made, against the obvious violence in the video, and twist that into a disagreement we apparently have on healthcare legislation. Scuds, you got a problem. Switch to decaf will ya?

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

You giving an Alter Call next, Pastor Scuds?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

As a citizen, you have every right to blame the poor for their own situation, and not help them. What bothers me is when you said something about the Christian in you. The bar Christ set for Christians is very hi, and Conservatives don't even come close to obeying him. Many of your Conservative views are in direct disagreement with what Christ said in the following list of verses. I'm not saying it's easy to follow them. What I'm saying is your Conservatism is not match up with what he's telling you to do in the following verses.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45


"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."-Matthew 6:14-15 That's related to your judging those in need, and placing blame. You may, in fact, be right, but he's not interested in you judging them.


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24 (99.9% of Christians blow that off.)





"'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"-Matthew 19:21
Notice that he seems uninterested in why they're poor. It's about self sacrifice. It's not about you judging whether they're poor for the reasons you find acceptable. This is why your statements are wrong. They concern judging why people are poor, and earlier the verse said he didn't want you to judge them.



"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:2-4


"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost."-Matthew 18:12-14



"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."-Matthew 6:16-18

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."-Matthew 7:1-2In case you didn't get it the 1st time, all this judging of the poor (commonly done by Conservatives) is not Christian.

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."-Matthew 6:19-21 99.9% of Christians blow this off.

How do you explain this?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...stof.html?_r=1

Here's another article on the same subject:

http://article.nationalreview.com/30...ares/interview

[dalakhani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX0II4YJCY

Have you guys seen the post fight interview?

[rpncaine]

WOW...thanks for posting that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX0II4YJCY

Have you guys seen the post fight interview?

a Chicagoan for Obama I can support.

Lucky the punk didn't run into the other viet nam / chicago 'guy'

[SCUDSBROTHER]

At the end, why do they think they have the right to go through his stuff? Somehow, that was like so automatic.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I don't understand either of the 2 throws by the brotha. Neither shot is anywhere near the old man's head. If you aren't gunna throw headshots, then why would you start the fight?

And what about the chick filming it talking about pressing charges?? Her friend threw the first punch.

You can also hear her saying around the 1:20-1:25 mark..."beat his ass. beat his white ass"

Me thinks they got a touch more than they bargained for.