Thoughts On NBA at midseason

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh so now it would be good but wouldn't win championships? I thought it was going to be a disaster? I didn't chicken out of anything, you offered a stupid, pointless bet. Your stats dont back up anything. It is kind of embarrassing for you to try insist that what happens on three separate teams would be valid in this discussion.

You wouldnt understand why West is a key player so i wont press the issue, it just isnt worth my time.

When did i say it was going to be a disaster? If you would actually read a post other than your own, you would see that I said the whole thread that you could put anyone with wade and bosh and the team would be good. They just wouldnt win championships the way you were constructing them.

It isnt worth your time, my time or anyone else's time for you to come up with a bogus argument as to why Delonte West is a key player. Please spare us. Please.

[dalakhani]

Delonte West 2010 stats:

7.4 per game
3 assists
2 rebounds

All star baby! In 43 minutes against the lakers the other night he had 3 pts.

Where would Cleveland be without him?????

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Delonte West 2010 stats:

7.4 per game
3 assists
2 rebounds

All star baby! In 43 minutes against the lakers the other night he had 3 pts.

Where would Cleveland be without him?????

don't they have internet access or papers in DC? His life is pretty much messed up in case you missed his mad max escapade in the summer. He broke his finger too so he's missed a lot of time this year due to both mental problems and physical problems. He's actually played pretty well at times and is still undoubtedly their best backcourt defender. But I'm not thinking anyone claimed he was an all star. Just if someone thinks someone is better than you think is pretty much all that is. Cleveland has better players deeper on the bench this year than last year which is why I got into this thread in the first place. That is why they are where they are.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

don't they have internet access or papers in DC? His life is pretty much messed up in case you missed his mad max escapade in the summer. He broke his finger too so he's missed a lot of time this year due to both mental problems and physical problems. He's actually played pretty well at times and is still undoubtedly their best backcourt defender. But I'm not thinking anyone claimed he was an all star. Just if someone thinks someone is better than you think is pretty much all that is. Cleveland has better players deeper on the bench this year than last year which is why I got into this thread in the first place. That is why they are where they are.

His stats this year arent too much different than his whole career. Maybe he breaks fingers and has mental breakdowns annually.

Season 36 23.4 98-220 .445 16-39 .410 54-65 .831 0.3 2.0 2.3 1.00 .56 1.39 1.33 3.0 7.4
Career 340 28.5 1284-2875 .447 328-865 .379 484-589 .822 0.5 2.5 3.1 1.08 .44 1.64 2.04 3.7 9.9

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2422

Please...lets not go back to arguing the merits of Delonte West. If you want to be as boring and as useless, why don't we argue the merits of Tony Allen.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Please...lets not go back to arguing the merits of Delonte West. If you want to be as boring and as useless, why don't we argue the merits of Tony Allen.

Hey, TA is an outstanding defender and is probably the only guy on the whole goddamn team who's actually overachieved this season! Sigh.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Hey, TA is an outstanding defender and is probably the only guy on the whole goddamn team who's actually overachieved this season! Sigh.

They are the same player although maybe Tony Allen doesnt break fingers and have a need for psychotropic medication.

Both are decent little players. Neither is essential to their respective team's success and many teams in the NBA have a similar player. Discussing their merits is useless and boring.

How about Amare? I would like to talk about Stoudamire a little bit.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They are the same player although maybe Tony Allen doesnt break fingers and have a need for psychotropic medication.

Both are decent little players. Neither is essential to their respective team's success and many teams in the NBA have a similar player. Discussing their merits is useless and boring.

How about Amare? I would like to talk about Stoudamire a little bit.

why? He's boring too.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

His stats this year arent too much different than his whole career. Maybe he breaks fingers and has mental breakdowns annually.

Season 36 23.4 98-220 .445 16-39 .410 54-65 .831 0.3 2.0 2.3 1.00 .56 1.39 1.33 3.0 7.4
Career 340 28.5 1284-2875 .447 328-865 .379 484-589 .822 0.5 2.5 3.1 1.08 .44 1.64 2.04 3.7 9.9

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2422

Please...lets not go back to arguing the merits of Delonte West. If you want to be as boring and as useless, why don't we argue the merits of Tony Allen.

Well, you just did with much hilarity.

You're pretty much a fake. He's playing 23 minutes a game this year down 10 minutes this year. He has mental problems. They've been documented. When he plays 30-35 minutes a game he scores 11-12 points a game. Always has for whatever team he has played with. They have seemed to have played better with Delonte West on the roster than Larry Hughes whom he replaced in the rotation...yes you can go back and pull posts where I didn't like that trade when it was made but I was wrong.

He is what he is. He has been a better player for Cleveland than Larry Hughes. That's all I'm looking at. His performance on the floor isn't really the problem with him. I agree with you he is not a first ballot hall of famer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, you just did with much hilarity.

You're pretty much a fake. He's playing 23 minutes a game this year down 10 minutes this year. He has mental problems. They've been documented. When he plays 30-35 minutes a game he scores 11-12 points a game. Always has for whatever team he has played with. They have seemed to have played better with Delonte West on the roster than Larry Hughes whom he replaced in the rotation...yes you can go back and pull posts where I didn't like that trade when it was made but I was wrong.

He is what he is. He has been a better player for Cleveland than Larry Hughes. That's all I'm looking at. His performance on the floor isn't really the problem with him. I agree with you he is not a first ballot hall of famer.

http://www.82games.com/0809/ROLRTG8.HTM

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Sortable "Roland Ratings"
While we never advocate reliance on 'overall rating' type metrics for players since we believe that "fit" within a team's roster and coaching schemes, financial considerations and other factors play a considerable part in player evaluation, it can be useful to gauge quickly how a player stacks up in certain statistical categories. The main components of the 'Roland Ratings' are a production measure (a variant of John Hollinger's PER rating) for a player's own stats versus the counterpart player on the other team while he is on the court, as well as a simple on court/off court plus minus. This rating is actually more of a placeholder until the more sophisticated analysis we produce is made public, but still offers a good fast read on player performance.

This is an advanced metric rating system which had West rated tied for the 34th most important player for his team in the league for last season. Tied with 2 pretty fair players, Paul Pierce and Amar'e Stoudemire. As it says above the rating system isnt perfect but Dala's idea that he is just an average NBA player or isnt important to Cleveland seems to not jive with the numbers. He was in the top 10% of the league and signifigantly higher than Trevor Ariza. As I said before the rating is not the end all of end all's but does show that West is a far better and far more valuable player than he is given credit for by someone we know. And the performance of Richard Hamilton and Joe Johnson in last years playoffs (they were in effect shutdown by West) also seems to elude her.

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809CLE5.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0809/BYPOSIT.HTM


Also note that the Cavs production by position SG (which was primarily West last season) was ranked 5th in the league in terms of production by position.

[horseofcourse]

I found this for you dala....

"I get a huge ovation everywhere I go......I was walking into a public restroom out there at the airport and I heard clapping....I'm like, Y'all clapping to see me take a number 2?!? That's all right" - Delonte West

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

When did i say it was going to be a disaster? If you would actually read a post other than your own, you would see that I said the whole thread that you could put anyone with wade and bosh and the team would be good. They just wouldnt win championships the way you were constructing them.

It isnt worth your time, my time or anyone else's time for you to come up with a bogus argument as to why Delonte West is a key player. Please spare us. Please.

No you said that those are 4 very talented players but you cant put a team like that on the floor. If you want to further discuss West you can do it via pm.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No you said that those are 4 very talented players but you cant put a team like that on the floor. If you want to further discuss West you can do it via pm.

From post 77 of this thread:



Would they be good? Sure they would be good. Wade and Bosh would be good with anyone around them. At the same time, in order to seriously contend, you would need a guy to get them their shots and hit an open three.