Thoughts On NBA at midseason

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Where is Wade going to go? . Miami doesnt stink. They are about .500 and getting Bosh and maybe one more player will make them contenders.

Its not all about team success when players make these descisions. Heck, they both could end up in new york.

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.

NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.

NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

NY does have the space. Plus Jeffries and Curry are expiring next year. They wouldnt have to get too creative to make it work. Chicago has less space than the knicks.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Donnie Walsh has done a great job!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

NY does have the space. Plus Jeffries and Curry are expiring next year. They wouldnt have to get too creative to make it work. Chicago has less space than the knicks.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Donnie Walsh has done a great job!

Curry and Jefferies wont opt out this year unless they are completely insane.

Chicago is shopping Thomas and will find a taker. They have tried to trade Hinrich forever but want too much.

The difference is that Chicago has Derrick Rose, Joquain Noah, John Salmons, Deng, and Gibson (and hinrich if they cant move him). That is a pretty good bunch of players especially compared to the Knicks returning guys. Jefferies, the italian, Hill, Curry, wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas is not an impressive bunch. Outside of the Italian there is no bonifide NBA starters in that group.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curry and Jefferies wont opt out this year unless they are completely insane.

Chicago is shopping Thomas and will find a taker. They have tried to trade Hinrich forever but want too much.

The difference is that Chicago has Derrick Rose, Joquain Noah, John Salmons, Deng, and Gibson (and hinrich if they cant move him). That is a pretty good bunch of players especially compared to the Knicks returning guys. Jefferies, the italian, Hill, Curry, wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas is not an impressive bunch. Outside of the Italian there is no bonifide NBA starters in that group.

They don't need to opt out...thats the point. New York could still take both salaries. And just think what they could do the following year when 17 million more goes away.

Miami has a bunch of money. They have no bad contracts and Riley is running the show. They could pick up a bunch of role players to go with beasley, wade and bosh.

In chicago, you named a bunch of players that need the ball. You would have serious chemistry issues. Im not buying chicago.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They don't need to opt out...thats the point. New York could still take both salaries. And just think what they could do the following year when 17 million more goes away.

Miami has a bunch of money. They have no bad contracts and Riley is running the show. They could pick up a bunch of role players to go with beasley, wade and bosh.

In chicago, you named a bunch of players that need the ball. You would have serious chemistry issues. Im not buying chicago.

NY cant take both salaries. pay those two stiffs and fill out the roster. The cap is going down and that would leave them with like 5 million for 9 guys to fill out the roster. Good luck with that.

Your take on Chicagos players is silly.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

NY cant take both salaries. pay those two stiffs and fill out the roster. The cap is going down and that would leave them with like 5 million for 9 guys to fill out the roster. Good luck with that.

Your take on Chicagos players is silly.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

How would Chicago make it work if New York can't? Even if you get rid of Hienrich's contract, you are still roughly at the same place New York is. And that is "if".

I think you are misinterpreting my point on chemistry issues in chicago with a potential bosh/wade addition. Rose is not exactly a ball distributing pg and he doesnt shoot 3's. He averages about 18 shots a game. Deng shoots about 15 shots a game. Wade is going to want his 20 and has never been accused of being a good 3 pt shooter and Bosh is going to want his 15...and then you have whoever is else left. Lets say Noah.

So you have a lineup without anyone to distribute the ball. You have no one that consistently knock down a three point shot. And you have 4 guys that are all use to getting 15-20 shots a game. Those are four great pieces indeed but they don't really fit. Hence, chemistry issues.

Miami makes more and more sense the more i think about it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

How would Chicago make it work if New York can't? Even if you get rid of Hienrich's contract, you are still roughly at the same place New York is. And that is "if".

I think you are misinterpreting my point on chemistry issues in chicago with a potential bosh/wade addition. Rose is not exactly a ball distributing pg and he doesnt shoot 3's. He averages about 18 shots a game. Deng shoots about 15 shots a game. Wade is going to want his 20 and has never been accused of being a good 3 pt shooter and Bosh is going to want his 15...and then you have whoever is else left. Lets say Noah.

So you have a lineup without anyone to distribute the ball. You have no one that consistently knock down a three point shot. And you have 4 guys that are all use to getting 15-20 shots a game. Those are four great pieces indeed but they don't really fit. Hence, chemistry issues.

Miami makes more and more sense the more i think about it.

Wade wouldnt want to play with Derrick Rose? Yeah sure he wouldn't...


So Wade, Rose, Deng, Bosh and Noah wouldnt be a tough line up with Gibson and Slamons and the mid level exception player off the bench? You like Wade, Chalmers, Beasley, Bosh and player to be named later better?

[horseofcourse]

The problem with Cleveland getting Jamison is the Wizards will insist on getting Hickson in that trade. If it was simply for Z, the Cavs would have done it at any time the last 6 months. Hickson is 21 and has massive upside. The Cavs have lacked people like that in the entire LeBron era. I agree with Cannon that Hickson is completely lost at times, but if they want to keep LeBron they are going to have to have at least some young talent to grow around him. I'd like to have Jamison honestly, but absolutley no way I give up Hickson to get him. The guy has untapped ability and just turned 21. It would be an ignorant move to trade him and that's what getting Jamison means I think. I wouldn't do it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The problem with Cleveland getting Jamison is the Wizards will insist on getting Hickson in that trade. If it was simply for Z, the Cavs would have done it at any time the last 6 months. Hickson is 21 and has massive upside. The Cavs have lacked people like that in the entire LeBron era. I agree with Cannon that Hickson is completely lost at times, but if they want to keep LeBron they are going to have to have at least some young talent to grow around him. I'd like to have Jamison honestly, but absolutley no way I give up Hickson to get him. The guy has untapped ability and just turned 21. It would be an ignorant move to trade him and that's what getting Jamison means I think. I wouldn't do it.

More importantly you have Hickson under contract for about 6 million for the next 3 years while you would have to pay Jamison 28 million for the next 2. Would I trade Ilgauskas (his contract basically) straight up for jamison if i were Cleveland? Sure. If they wanted Hickson too I would hesitate to do it, if only because Jamison doesnt have a great track record in staying healthy. He would strictly be a high priced rental but Cleveland feels they have to win this year and AJ would be a nice fit for Cleveland THIS year.

[horseofcourse]

I would have preferred to stay out of this thread, but I was flabbergasted by dala's statement that the Cavs were better last year. It made zero sense to me. I realize Shaq is 1/20th of the player he used to be, but having him instead of Ben Wallace?? Come on. That's a huge and significant upgrade. Losing Pavlovic and Sczerbiak is a huge upgrade no matter who raplaces them...Parker, Moon etc. It's another upgrade. LeBron, Varejao, Hickson are all better than they were last year. The only major issue where they have gone down from last year is Delonte West's personal craziness. He's slipped and has been pretty much a non-entity most of the year and it hasn't really affected them. Don't even know if he'll be available come playoff time with court dates and everything.

What noone talks about is the Leon Powe reports are all postive about where he stands physically. He's precticing without issue. He's going to be added to the roster the second half. Another physical presence. With or without Jamison, they are undoubtedly better than last year. Whether they can win a title I have no idea. But I think they have more of a chance than last year whether they acquire Jamison or not.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I would have preferred to stay out of this thread, but I was flabbergasted by dala's statement that the Cavs were better last year. It made zero sense to me. I realize Shaq is 1/20th of the player he used to be, but having him instead of Ben Wallace?? Come on. That's a huge and significant upgrade. Losing Pavlovic and Sczerbiak is a huge upgrade no matter who raplaces them...Parker, Moon etc. It's another upgrade. LeBron, Varejao, Hickson are all better than they were last year. The only major issue where they have gone down from last year is Delonte West's personal craziness. He's slipped and has been pretty much a non-entity most of the year and it hasn't really affected them. Don't even know if he'll be available come playoff time with court dates and everything.

What noone talks about is the Leon Powe reports are all postive about where he stands physically. He's precticing without issue. He's going to be added to the roster the second half. Another physical presence. With or without Jamison, they are undoubtedly better than last year. Whether they can win a title I have no idea. But I think they have more of a chance than last year whether they acquire Jamison or not.

You need to control your flabber.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You need to control your flabber.

I know you dont' think they can win it all which is fine. I don't really know either. I'm pretty dumb on face value. Just face the obvious truth that despite you thinking they can't win, they are undoubtedly a better team this year. You are so wrong by saying they were better last year it's beyond stupid. Yes, stupid.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.
NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

You didnt say chicago here?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You didnt say chicago here?

You asked where else. I said Chicago and pointed out how it could be done. Hope i am never on trial with you on the jury if this is proof I made a proclamation.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago. It makes a lot of sense. Miami does stink. they are not a good team, they have gaping holes everywhere. Being 26-27 in the East is not good.

NY doesnt have the space and unless Isiah suddenly gets an NBA job and trades for jefferies, that wont change.

Seriously....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Seriously....

Seriously it was in response to a quetion about possible Wade destinations if he left Miami. As you see another team was mentioned and outside of Chicago where else was Wade connected to this summer?

Bosh had nothing to do with this question.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously it was in response to a quetion about possible Wade destinations if he left Miami. As you see another team was mentioned and outside of Chicago where else was Wade connected to this summer?

Bosh had nothing to do with this question.

Chuck, its okay to be wrong about something or to give someone else credit. It shows humility.

Its not an indictment on your character or your knowledge of sports or politics to admit that someone else has a better grasp of a situation than you do.

I still respect you Chuck even if you were wrong about this or anything else we disagree about. I still think you are a knowledgable and intelligent man and I will always be a fan of you.

I regret bringing this topic back up and rubbing it in. I apologize.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck, its okay to be wrong about something or to give someone else credit. It shows humility.

Its not an indictment on your character or your knowledge of sports or politics to admit that someone else has a better grasp of a situation than you do.

I still respect you Chuck even if you were wrong about this or anything else we disagree about. I still think you are a knowledgable and intelligent man and I will always be a fan of you.

I regret bringing this topic back up and rubbing it in. I apologize.

Post where I said Bosh and Wade were going to Chicago. Go ahead. You are looking very Riot-like. I never once said that they were going to Chicago. Not once.

Only an ass would try to rub in something that never occurred.

Only a narcissist would post a bet that was turned down as though you had actually won

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Post where I said Bosh and Wade were going to Chicago. Go ahead. You are looking very Riot-like. I never once said that they were going to Chicago. Not once.

Only an ass would try to rub in something that never occurred.

Only a narcissist would post a bet that was turned down as though you had actually won

Oh Chuck...your poor little ego. It doesnt mean that much to me. As i said, I regret bringing this back up. You are obviously getting angry and my intent was never to make you angry. As I said, I am a fan of yours.

Its only basketball Chuck. The thread is up and nothing has been changed or altered. It speaks for itself.

Again, sorry for rubbing it in. It wasn't very nice.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh Chuck...your poor little ego. It doesnt mean that much to me. As i said, I regret bringing this back up. You are obviously getting angry and my intent was never to make you angry. As I said, I am a fan of yours.

Its only basketball Chuck. The thread is up and nothing has been changed or altered. It speaks for itself.

Again, sorry for rubbing it in. It wasn't very nice.

Angry? Hardly. Just wondering why you insist on saying I was 'wrong' when I clearly never made a prediction AND turned down your inane offer of a wager.

Hell you post the wager as though I had lost in some sort of bizzaro, "look how smart I am" redboard.

Interesting that you needed to say that I was wrong as opposed to just saying you were right. I guess the victory lap wasn't enough.