This is a pretty sick race...

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I think Warrior's Reward's season last year would have been completely different if he had been kept going one turn at a mile or under. He was totally wasted in the Dwyer-Dandy-Travers and Wilkes knows it now. His win on Oaks day (while via a very nice trip) was solid.

I think he has a chance to be a very nice closing sprinter.

NT

I originally shared your opinion on him, but after further consideration and evidence I think you're much better off having a negative opinion on him since he'll forever be overbet off the hype and one false performance.

For starters - his trip on Oaks day was more than very nice - it was perfect.

The pace was absurdly fast (99+13, 101+8, 98+2) and he got the patented Borel ride that turned Mine that Bird into a completely different horse the next day. I'm also not sure what to make of Munnings running second now that we know he hates wet surfaces (granted, the track was "good" and not "sloppy").

You can only make so many excuses for him before the 113 looks like an exception and not the rule. He might be able to win this race with a mediocre performance because there are a lot of question marks in the field, but I will be shocked if he ever runs back to the big fig and shakes his current status as a perpetual underlay.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I originally shared your opinion on him, but after further consideration and evidence I think you're much better off having a negative opinion on him since he'll forever be overbet off the hype and one false performance.

For starters - his trip on Oaks day was more than very nice - it was perfect.

The pace was absurdly fast (99+13, 101+8, 98+2) and he got the patented Borel ride that turned Mine that Bird into a completely different horse the next day. I'm also not sure what to make of Munnings running second now that we know he hates wet surfaces (granted, the track was "good" and not "sloppy").

You can only make so many excuses for him before the 113 looks like an exception and not the rule. He might be able to win this race with a mediocre performance because there are a lot of question marks in the field, but I will be shocked if he ever runs back to the big fig and shakes his current status as a perpetual underlay.

I cant beleive how your turning on him.
Go bet Kensei somewhere.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I originally shared your opinion on him, but after further consideration and evidence I think you're much better off having a negative opinion on him since he'll forever be overbet off the hype and one false performance.

For starters - his trip on Oaks day was more than very nice - it was perfect.

The pace was absurdly fast (99+13, 101+8, 98+2) and he got the patented Borel ride that turned Mine that Bird into a completely different horse the next day. I'm also not sure what to make of Munnings running second now that we know he hates wet surfaces (granted, the track was "good" and not "sloppy").

You can only make so many excuses for him before the 113 looks like an exception and not the rule. He might be able to win this race with a mediocre performance because there are a lot of question marks in the field, but I will be shocked if he ever runs back to the big fig and shakes his current status as a perpetual underlay.

Another thing, they messed with this horses running style how many times last year? From 7f-9f how many 3yr olds last year can you say were 100% better then him, IMO not many.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I cant beleive how your turning on him.
Go bet Kensei somewhere.

Kensei accomplished more last year than this horse ever will. And I guess you didn't read my post in the other thread.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Another thing, they messed with this horses running style how many times last year? From 7f-9f how many 3yr olds last year can you say were 100% better then him, IMO not many.

How many horses were better than him last year? Let's see . . . Flavor, El Brujo, Not For Silver, Conchacer, Evolutionist, Summer Bird, Hold Me Back, Quality Road, Charitable Man, Kensei, Convocation, Successful Dan. . . Should I continue?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Kensei accomplished more last year than this horse ever will. And I guess you didn't read my post in the other thread.



How many horses were better than him last year? Let's see . . . Flavor, El Brujo, Not For Silver, Conchacer, Evolutionist, Summer Bird, Hold Me Back, Quality Road, Charitable Man, Kensei, Convocation, Successful Dan. . . Should I continue?

2 horses on your list were better.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

2 horses on your list were better.

I don't know what's more scary about this - that you didn't realize what I was doing or that between Quality Road, Summer Bird, Kensei, and Hold Me Back you actually think he was better than two of them.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't know what's more scary about this - that you didn't realize what I was doing or that between Quality Road, Summer Bird, Kensei, and Hold Me Back you actually think he was better than two of them.

I know what you were doing, and you know I know.
He was better then Kensei and HMB.

[Linny]

I like WR but he's never won a stakes race. All those listed above beat him in graded stakes. WR was beaten in listed races as well. He neds to pick a running style and stick with it 'til he perfects it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't know what's more scary about this - that you didn't realize what I was doing or that between Quality Road, Summer Bird, Kensei, and Hold Me Back you actually think he was better than two of them.

Never really asked to run at any point and won for fun.
What do you think now?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Never really asked to run at any point and won for fun.
What do you think now?

Warrior's?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Never really asked to run at any point and won for fun.
What do you think now?

You can't possibly be this dense. Ya - he really crushed those horses at 9/5.

I know you'll never grasp this distinction, but no matter what he does you will never get fair odds on this horse. The idiot on HRTV just proved my point by calling him a graded stakes winner - his reputation will always exceed his real ability. Did you get back the money you lost on him in the Northern Dancer, the Dwyer, the Jim Dandy, the Travers, and the Perryville today?

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Never really asked to run at any point and won for fun.
What do you think now?

it was a nice return and i think hes okay. but he was asked to run plenty.