My horse update - Help needed!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

Actually I have already talked with a vet....and he told me that it is not possible to tell that his testicles are the problem....

What you have to do is to examinate all other parts of his body and see if there is no problem....If there is no apparent problem, the only way to know if the testicles are really the problem is removing them and then, see if the horse goes well after that.

fmc,
I think others have given you some solid advice. Testicles can interfere with running.
From my own experience, two of mine have been gelded. one because he got too "coltish" as a 2yo and nobody could handle him. He became too dangerous.
The other one, that I had hoped to bring to the shed after his career hasn't shown enough desirable qualities on the track to make that option worthwhile.
The trainer said that his testicles were an issue with his running...so off they went.
It was a decision that was for the best. So, take that for what it's worth.
At least now, he whinnies in a higher octave and might have a future career in the "Vienna Horse (not boys') Choir", (JK).
Good luck!
DTS

[fmc123412]

Thank you all for the advices!

I've just talked with the vet and he told me the horse was not tired after the race. At least nothing unusual.

That was the first time he was experiencing 10 furlongs....but his previous start was at 9f and he didn's stop that way.

Today he was examined for problems within his body structure, including foot, knees, shins, etc....and nothing was found too.

So, since his workouts are extremely good, he concluded his testicle is the problem.

He told me he is planning to cut off only one testicle (the one that is located on his abdomen) and not both. I dont know if this is an usual practice. Is there a risk that the other testicle goes up when he come back??

Thanks!!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

He told me he is planning to cut off only one testicle (the one that is located on his abdomen) and not both. I dont know if this is an usual practice. Is there a risk that the other testicle goes up when he come back??

Thanks!!

most vets that I have been around would not consider this unless the horse had extreme value as a potential stud (think AP Indy). Not only is the surgery more complicated but the trait is considered by most to be inherited so gelding them eliminates the potential for them to pass this trait on to their male offspring. Plus as I said before a rig is less fertile anyway so less desirable as a stud prospect.
I don't really understand why your trainer would want to just remove the one that is undescended, makes more sense to get the whole job done.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

most vets that I have been around would not consider this unless the horse had extreme value as a potential stud (think AP Indy). Not only is the surgery more complicated but the trait is considered by most to be inherited so gelding them eliminates the potential for them to pass this trait on to their male offspring. Plus as I said before a rig is less fertile anyway so less desirable as a stud prospect.
I don't really understand why your trainer would want to just remove the one that is undescended, makes more sense to get the whole job done.

What do yoou mean with this: "the trait is considered by most to be inherited so gelding them eliminates the potential for them to pass this trait on to their male offspring."...??

thank you!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

What do yoou mean with this: "the trait is considered by most to be inherited so gelding them eliminates the potential for them to pass this trait on to their male offspring."...??

thank you!

if you breed a horse with undescended testicles he may pass the trait on to his off spring...by gelding him it ensures that he will not be bred and can't pass the trait on.

sorry if I was unclear.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

if you breed a horse with undescended testicles he may pass the trait on to his off spring...by gelding him it ensures that he will not be bred and can't pass the trait on.

sorry if I was unclear.

Thank you!!

You were not unclear...My english that is not very good!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

Thank you!!

You were not unclear...My english that is not very good!

your english is much beter than my spanish or portuguese!

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by merasmag

picturing this but if he has only one removed he can still make babies and pass on the defect, as to the other one "riding up" (lol) what did the vet say? don't tell me he (or she) intimidates you...gelding=$1,000, half gelding=$500-good luck

He didnt told me anythign about the price of gelding and half-gelding...

Actually, what he told me is that it is not necessary to cut both off.

We are not planning (and his race record doesnt allow too) to use him as a stallion. But the vet told me that it is not necessary to cut both testicles, since the problem that reflects on his racing performance will be eliminated simple cutting one of them.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by fmc123412

He didnt told me anythign about the price of gelding and half-gelding...

Actually, what he told me is that it is not necessary to cut both off.

We are not planning (and his race record doesnt allow too) to use him as a stallion. But the vet told me that it is not necessary to cut both testicles, since the problem that reflects on his racing performance will be eliminated simple cutting one of them.

JMO, but they do that to Paso Finos routinely and it is not a good thing. It enables the stallion to behave like a stud and you may find that actually gelding him may help him to focus a bit more.

From all of us at ATRAB... cut him! The more fit the horse gets the tighter the muscles which squeezes the testicle... as far as the other testicle... if he has stud potential keep it... if not cut it! A testicle cannot go up... the testicles desend upon formation.. yours just didn't drop... I wish I could get one cut for $500!! Do it and I'll bet he winks at you!!!

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Don't know nuthin bout this horse but it's a win/win situation to cut him (doubt he runs any better).

I'd like to bet your trainer/vet are playing you like a violin.

Buy a dog. It's cheaper and they are more friendly and loveable.

I cannot see my dog down the stretch like my horse...

And actually, i already have a dog

its a lot more exciting having a horse in my opinion...lol...

[paisjpq]

also keep in mind that the surgery here in the US wil run you more than 1K I have no idea what it might cost in brazil.

[fmc123412]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

also keep in mind that the surgery here in the US wil run you more than 1K I have no idea what it might cost in brazil.

1.000 reais, which means nearly $500 dollars