Weekend Stakes Beyers

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

[cmorioles]

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

Is this deemed the non scientific/artist license that Fig makers require?

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is this deemed the non scientific/artist license that Fig makers require?

My secret's out. Damn it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME.

Actually, they don't do it all the time, just some of the time. In my opinion that makes it even worse. I guess some figure makers for Beyer are more stringent than others.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME...

But actually, they don't do it all the time, just some of the time.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME...

But actually, they don't do it all the time, just some of the time.

I assume this is your way of poking fun. I didn't really want to get into the reasons but to point out it was done. Those that care probably already know, and those that don't care don't want to know.

I should have said they do it often. Does that make you happy?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It doesn't take much to make me happy CJ.

A shiny set of keys might do the trick ... and a tube sock certainly would.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

The biggest bet I ever made in my life was on Mossflower when she first ran in a stakes. The Beyer guys had demoted her figure for no apparent reason from a 110 to something in the low 100s if I remember right. I think it was the Hempstead. So yes, I love it, I take advantage of it when possible.

[hockey2315]

GGG got a 95

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The biggest bet I ever made in my life was on Mossflower when she first ran in a stakes. The Beyer guys had demoted her figure for no apparent reason from a 110 to something in the low 100s if I remember right. I think it was the Hempstead. So yes, I love it, I take advantage of it when possible.

I wonder why they elect to not just post them as they should and subject them to creavity.I get why you wouldnt want them to change but it seems arrogant to adjust just for the sake of adjusting?

[cmorioles]

I think they do it out of ignorance, not arrogance. They don't look at pace so they don't know why the horse ran slower (or faster) than expected. Since it isn't understood, it is just assumed the track changed. That is my opinion only.

[VOL JACK]

Maybe they like to set up a bet every now and again.......my view from the grassy knoll.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think they do it out of ignorance, not arrogance. They don't look at pace so they don't know why the horse ran slower (or faster) than expected. Since it isn't understood, it is just assumed the track changed. That is my opinion only.

Whatever the case its silly to rep what isnt

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I wonder why they elect to not just post them as they should and subject them to creavity.I get why you wouldnt want them to change but it seems arrogant to adjust just for the sake of adjusting?

It's three times now that they've cut the wonder Pig's race loose from the whole card to give his race a lower fig.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

Wow, was that really '01? Speightstown was 6 when he won the BCS in '04 so I guess I'm getting old quick.

[Linny]

Sweet Repent continues to prove that the fillies born in 2006 are a very nice group. She's won 5 in a row, the last 3 earning Beyer's over 100. She hasn't had to beat much but she's done all they've asked.