Weekend Stakes Beyers

cakes44 · #1 02-01-2010, 08:37 AM

That 91 in a $500,000 race for older horses is a real beaut.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 02-01-2010, 08:46 AM

It could be worse ... the same race was worth $1 million not long ago.

slotdirt · #3 02-01-2010, 09:30 AM

Am I the only one that would find a mythical Oklahoma Millions as interesting as the Sunshine Millions?

cmorioles · #4 02-01-2010, 10:25 AM

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

freddymo · #5 02-01-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

Is boasting a fig from 103 to 108 the same as boasting it for 60 to 65.. when you boast from 103 to 108 its about a 5% inflation but 9% in the other example.. Is there significants to this or is that a poor analysis?

cmorioles · #6 02-01-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Is boasting a fig from 103 to 108 the same as boasting it for 60 to 65.. when you boast from 103 to 108 its about a 5% inflation but 9% in the other example.. Is there significants to this or is that a poor analysis?

It is a poor analysis, because a 65 is not 60% as fast as a 108, it is much faster.

freddymo · #7 02-01-2010, 10:38 AM

So making a fig 25 instead of 20 is the same as 110 to 115? I guess it seems a more dramtic inflation from 20 to 25?

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 02-01-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

cmorioles · #9 02-01-2010, 11:02 AM

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

freddymo · #10 02-01-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

Is this deemed the non scientific/artist license that Fig makers require?

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 02-01-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME.

freddymo · #12 02-01-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

cmorioles · #13 02-01-2010, 11:08 AM

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Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

The biggest bet I ever made in my life was on Mossflower when she first ran in a stakes. The Beyer guys had demoted her figure for no apparent reason from a 110 to something in the low 100s if I remember right. I think it was the Hempstead. So yes, I love it, I take advantage of it when possible.

philcski · #14 02-01-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

Wow, was that really '01? Speightstown was 6 when he won the BCS in '04 so I guess I'm getting old quick.

Linny · #15 02-01-2010, 11:49 AM

Sweet Repent continues to prove that the fillies born in 2006 are a very nice group. She's won 5 in a row, the last 3 earning Beyer's over 100. She hasn't had to beat much but she's done all they've asked.

cmorioles · #16 02-01-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only one that would find a mythical Oklahoma Millions as interesting as the Sunshine Millions?

Hey, watch it!

smuthg · #17 02-01-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only one that would find a mythical Oklahoma Millions as interesting as the Sunshine Millions?

how about Red River Thousands... a showdown of OK v. TX breds. Too bad Frank had to sell Lone Star and Remington.