The Michael Gill/Penn National Riders Saga

Patrick333 · #1 01-31-2010, 09:36 AM

Tony Black is probably thinking that the same "due process" that applied to the jockeys that were ruled off for alleged race fixing a few years ago should apply to Gill.

jms62 · #2 01-31-2010, 09:48 AM

Black always has Blinkers on when it comes to discussions involving Jocks. His conversations with Steve about Jocks being employees rather than independent contractors awhile back comes to mind.

Duvalier · #3 01-31-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333

Tony Black is probably thinking that the same "due process" that applied to the jockeys that were ruled off for alleged race fixing a few years ago should apply to Gill.

The same thing kind of applies to Kirk Ziadie. I understand he has more than a few bad tests in Florida but he was pretty much just told to remove his horses from the backside and was no longer wanted at Calder. I don't believe there was a specific reason given...just a so called "Management Decision".

Cannon Shell · #4 01-31-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

The same thing kind of applies to Kirk Ziadie. I understand he has more than a few bad tests in Florida but he was pretty much just told to remove his horses from the backside and was no longer wanted at Calder. I don't believe there was a specific reason given...just a so called "Management Decision".

Calder did Ziade a favor by not giving a reason.

You pretty much sign your rights away when you sign your stall application. Trainers know that and owners should as well.

Rudeboyelvis · #5 01-31-2010, 07:21 PM

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Calder did Ziade a favor by not giving a reason.

You pretty much sign your rights away when you sign your stall application. Trainers know that and owners should as well.

MD just gave Ziadie stalls - back in the game baby!!

Cannon Shell · #6 01-31-2010, 07:34 PM

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MD just gave Ziadie stalls - back in the game baby!!

See if Calder had said exactly why he got booted, dopes like the ones that run MD racing might have seen fit to not give him stalls.

phystech · #7 01-31-2010, 08:16 PM

It's a disgrace that MD gave Ziadie stalls. Even more of a disgrace is that Racing Sec Hale and Chief Investigator Pogue admit to not having done their jobs prior to granting him stalls.

I've dealt with Pogue before when his main concern was that I made a license clerk at Colonial cry because she wasn't capable of doing her job as a temp hire.

Just two more people that MD employs that aren't worth their weight in salt...

paulo537 · #8 01-31-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech

It's a disgrace that MD gave Ziadie stalls. Even more of a disgrace is that Racing Sec Hale and Chief Investigator Pogue admit to not having done their jobs prior to granting him stalls.

I've dealt with Pogue before when his main concern was that I made a license clerk at Colonial cry because she wasn't capable of doing her job as a temp hire.

Just two more people that MD employs that aren't worth their weight in salt...

What did the temporary license clerk do that resulted in you making her cry?

Rudeboyelvis · #9 01-31-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

See if Calder had said exactly why he got booted, dopes like the ones that run MD racing might have seen fit to not give him stalls.

It is difficult to comprehend how the reputation of the man could not possibly have preceded him. It's not like it hasn't been documented. "Dopes" is mild. "Catapulting money whores" is more apt.

Left Bank · #10 01-31-2010, 10:38 PM

You know,bringing up the Andy Beyer article in the form today,I recall he was crowing about a trainer last year,at the same time of year,who magically improved a horse to a 115 beyer.And it was the same horse who won yesterday.

#11 02-02-2010, 11:35 AM

We're a nation of bullies so of course this is entertaining.

freddymo · #12 02-02-2010, 11:36 AM

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We're a nation of bullies so of course this is entertaining.

Fcuk yeaH!! we are 12 -1 -1 in Wars

randallscott35 · #13 02-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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Fcuk yeaH!! we are 12 -1 -1 in Wars

Duvalier · #14 02-02-2010, 05:20 PM

According to bloodhorse.com Michael Gill has been ejected from Penn National.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ng-starved-out

Rudeboyelvis · #15 01-31-2010, 10:15 AM

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Tony Black is probably thinking that the same "due process" that applied to the jockeys that were ruled off for alleged race fixing a few years ago should apply to Gill.

Exactly - Tony is 100% correct IMO. These people, whether they are jocks, trainers, agents, or owners have no guarantee of employment from the track, are not employees of the track, and are not entitled to any "due process".

They use the track to make a living, and have no direct responsibility for their actions with regard to the liability they cause the track owners due to their irresponsible actions.

Penn Nat or any other track for that matter can remove anyone they want for any reason they want when they feel that said person represents a threat to the track or it's business. Period. It isn't really a discussion.

Duvalier · #16 01-31-2010, 10:19 AM

That's what I was wondering about. Couldn't Penn National itself just do what both Calder and Tampa did in the above examples? Just claim it as a management or business decision. No explanation...you have 72 hours to be off the grounds.