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Old 01-27-2010, 04:55 PM
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My personal projection, Brock, is that Bin Shafya backs up. Pop and stop. Over under on Carnival wins - 3.5

Just a thought. His local season has been awful, granted, running lesser company. Just a hunch, so to speak.
Yep you could well be right, his pre carnival form is patchy at best, but seeing his ridiculous and quite franky dodgy wins in the Carnival last year, Ill be keeping him on my side..
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:49 AM
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that Raihana defo looks a smart prospect. Ive only seen the race once, but she was in a tricky position turning for home and won very snugly at the end..
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Well, so much for the thought DeKock wouldn't start fast - absolute smackers early on.
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She's a tool, Brock. De Kock hasn't stopped going on about her since she broke her maiden. Considering she was always wide and looking in trouble at half way, that was some performance. When you consider that many of the other winners have been front rank and on the inside, it makes it look even better.

Now, is it just me or (apart from Whispering Gallery) has Dettori given the rest of his mount shockers? Got them all in a good position early and allowed them to drift back in behind horses before 'getting after them'. We already know it's hard to come from well off the pace. To me, the rides he has given on all bar Whispering Gallery (who always looked likely to be given an easy lead of a soft gallop) have been pretty poor.

I should have napped him I guess, as he was a very progressive handicapper, was always to race from the front and stayed further than this. It was all there to see, but I wanted to nap something at a bigger price. Tartan Gigha is a horse to take note of though. He's a horse who likes to lead usually, but an average break from a bad gate meant he had to reined back. He stayed on as well as could be expected on the wide outside, and will improve for the run. Watch out for him in a similar race if given a better draw which will enable him to race on the front end.
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That was strange. Gloria De Campeo always up in the front rank, nothing really seems to be closing from behind and then Forgotten Voice comes from another country.

Midshipman will struggle to win in the top company based on that. The winner usually improves massive amounts on his first run of the Carnival and It's now hard to envisage Midshipman beating that rival when they meet under the same conditions again.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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yep was a strange race to me - it may be that Gloria is a little but more forward this year than other years. and i thought they crawled home. Where to go next with Midshipman. If I was in charge, Id drop him down to 6f and try his hand at sprinting. He does have enough pace I think.
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yep was a strange race to me - it may be that Gloria is a little but more forward this year than other years. and i thought they crawled home. Where to go next with Midshipman. If I was in charge, Id drop him down to 6f and try his hand at sprinting. He does have enough pace I think.
That's what I was wondering.

I can't see him beating Gloria over this trip. Maybe he'll improve for the run? But it didn't look like it was fitness that was the issue today.

One horse, which did look badly in need of the run was Bab Al Salam, although I thought Frankie gave him a shocker after being in a good position early, he let him drift back amongst horses and then was never likely to get back into the race.

Tartan Gigha is definitely one for my virtual notebook, and ofcourse Forgotten Voice, but he is likely to be underpriced next time after that performance.

Raihana is destined for the top over the Carnival, had things against her today and still ran out a cosy winner. De Kock rarely tells lies and I've never heard him speak so confidently about a horse before this one.
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That was strange. Gloria De Campeo always up in the front rank, nothing really seems to be closing from behind and then Forgotten Voice comes from another country.

Midshipman will struggle to win in the top company based on that. The winner usually improves massive amounts on his first run of the Carnival and It's now hard to envisage Midshipman beating that rival when they meet under the same conditions again.
Midshipman probably needs his Lasix.

US race commentators were noting how long the stretch is, compared to the US tracks, which tend to be around 1000-1100 feet, or around 333 yards, probably around 310 meters, 1.6f. This includes the 9f and 12f tracks, but not 8f tracks Churchill Downs (1234 ft) and Fair Grounds (1346 ft.). South American dirt competitors normally run on home straights twice as long.
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Midshipman probably needs his Lasix.

US race commentators were noting how long the stretch is, compared to the US tracks, which tend to be around 1000-1100 feet, or around 333 yards, probably around 310 meters, 1.6f. This includes the 9f and 12f tracks, but not 8f tracks Churchill Downs (1234 ft) and Fair Grounds (1346 ft.). South American dirt competitors normally run on home straights twice as long.
I was told the straight was shorter than that of Santa Anita's?
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