McKee Blew it! - Page 6

Danzig · #**101** 09-24-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on now. You know what we are saying. As for High Cotton, you were right, but look at where he was in the Travers.

ok, so bernardini and lawyer ron both can claim victories over high cotton...
lol sounds like they've both beat the same horses to me!!

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**102** 09-24-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

How is he going to beat second tier grade 1 horses in open company when he cant even beat second tier horses in restricted company?

For the record, there have been some pretty darn good horses that have run in the Cigar over the last few years. You might want to check it out.

I know who runs in the Cigar Mile. I bet on the race last year...

Pointg5 · #**103** 09-24-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

dalakhani · #**104** 09-24-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

ok, so bernardini and lawyer ron both can claim victories over high cotton...
lol sounds like they've both beat the same horses to me!!

yeah, but bernadini also can claim wins over sweetnorthernsaint, brother derek and bluegrasscat.

I know, i know...those horse arent anywhere close to high cotton but i had to give it a shot.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**105** 09-24-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

Congrats on having SC yesterday Gander. I just went back and watched the replay of the Haskell. I should have watched it before the Super Derby yesterday. You were right, SC's trip was brutal especially in the first half of the race. SC almost got up for second in a race that most horses would have never had a chance in after a trip like that...

dalakhani · #**106** 09-24-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

Wrong about what?

kentuckyrosesinmay · #**107** 09-24-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

I have a feeling that both horses BSFs are going to be nice...

Rupert Pupkin · #**108** 09-24-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I disagree. There have been plenty of horses that have made false reputations against bad horses. Happens every year.

And even going by your line of thinking, what was so impressive about LR's races anyway? He has beyered over 100 but twice going into yesterday's race.

I can think of a few horses like that this year and last year. Bob and John won the Wood Memorial even though he's nothing special. Point Determined won a graded stakes race at Hollywood and he's not much horse. Private Vow won a couple of big races last year. I was never impressed with him.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Jazil's Belmont win. That race played very weak.

Lawyer Ron is better than any of those horses although he can't run 1 1/2 miles like Jazil. With regard to his speed figures, I hear that his sheet figures were actually very good in the Arkansas races. The sheets rated those races much higher than Beyer did.

Danzig · #**109** 09-24-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

yeah, but bernadini also can claim wins over sweetnorthernsaint, brother derek and bluegrasscat.

I know, i know...those horse arent anywhere close to high cotton but i had to give it a shot.

sinister minister can say the same about bluegrass cat, cindago about brother derek, and like now about sweetnorthernsaint. see what happens when you start looking at who beat whom??

dalakhani · #**110** 09-24-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a feeling that both horses BSFs are going to be nice...

And why would you think that? Do you know how to make figs? That number is going to be a crapshoot.

dalakhani · #**111** 09-24-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

sinister minister can say the same about bluegrass cat, cindago about brother derek, and like now about sweetnorthernsaint. see what happens when you start looking at who beat whom??

But can any of those horses say they beat ALL of them?????

dalakhani · #**112** 09-24-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can think of a few horses like that this year and last year. Bob and John won the Wood Memorial even though he's nothing special. Point Determined won a graded stakes race at Hollywood and he's not much horse. Private Vow won a couple of big races last year. I was never impressed with him.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Jazil's Belmont win. That race played very weak.

Lawyer Ron is better than any of those horses although he can't run 1 1/2 miles like Jazil. With regard to his speed figures, I hear that his sheet figures were actually very good in the Arkansas races. The sheets rated those races much higher than Beyer did.

I think Beyer was right on this one.

Danzig · #**113** 09-24-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

But can any of those horses say they beat ALL of them?????

yeah, the three year old who beat bernardini earlier this year!! he beat bern, who beat barbaro (technically) in the preakness, and barbaro beat them all in the derby!! and bern beat the rest in the travers...so yeah, it's that horse.

dalakhani · #**114** 09-24-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah, the three year old who beat bernardini earlier this year!! he beat bern, who beat barbaro (technically) in the preakness, and barbaro beat them all in the derby!! and bern beat the rest in the travers...so yeah, it's that horse.

No he didnt. He beat Bernardini which is a different thing. He didnt beat all of those other horses.

Rupert Pupkin · #**115** 09-24-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

Henny ran a 109 Beyer at Monmouth. Lawyer Ron ran a 106 once.

Who did Henny beat last year? I only ask you in gest so that you realize what a silly question it is. I know how good Henny Hughes is. It doesn't matter who he beat last year. I'm not sure if he beat any really good horses last year or not but it doesn't matter. He's a really good horse and he's probably the horse to beat in the BC Sprint. It doesn't matter who he's beaten, it's how he did it.

dalakhani · #**116** 09-24-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Henny ran a 109 Beyer at Monmouth. Lawyer Ron ran a 106 once.

Who did Henny beat last year? I only ask you in gest so that you realize what a silly question it is. I know how good Henny Hughes is. It doesn't matter who he beat last year. I'm not sure if he beat any really good horses last year or not but it doesn't matter. He's a really good horse and he's probably the horse to beat in the BC Sprint. It doesn't matter who he's beaten, it's how he did it.

Henny Hughes beat everyone but Stevie wonderboy in the BC juvey and he put up multiple performances that showed his quality.

But, I will definitely be betting against Henny this year in the BC sprint. I think he is a nice horse but will be overbet.

Danzig · #**117** 09-24-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

No he didnt. He beat Bernardini which is a different thing. He didnt beat all of those other horses.

but if he beat the horse who beat all those horses, than he's the best, right?? lol

hey, i'm just having some fun at this point...but if you want to know who i think has beaten the most top three year olds, it's not lawyer ron or bernardini.

for the record, i don't think lawyer ron is one of the top three year olds, strong contender either. but every horse mentioned in this thread has faced a bit of everything. some win, and make money, like ron and bern, some don't.

Rupert Pupkin · #**118** 09-24-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Henny Hughes beat everyone but Stevie wonderboy in the BC juvey and he put up multiple performances that showed his quality.

But, I will definitely be betting against Henny this year in the BC sprint. I think he is a nice horse but will be overbet.

I think Henny is the horse to beat in the Sprint but I agree that he probably will be overbet. I wouldn't be anxious to take a short price on him against older horses.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #**119** 09-24-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think Henny is the horse to beat in the Sprint but I agree that he probably will be overbet. I wouldn't be anxious to take a short price on him against older horses.

I think since Too Much Bling can rate or go 43 and change he has a huge advantage if he draws outside

Zoe · #**120** 09-24-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Let's see he's had 2 races @ 1 1/8th, he's won one and run 2nd in the other(while setting fast fractions), the Derby is a throwout, because he came up hurt and was over the top with all of the racing. Please justify your statement, because you have no proof that he can't go that far....

Its just an opinion. I have no need to justify it. My impression is that this horse will be fine up to 1 1/8 miles, but I don't believe he can get the extra 1/8th mile at this time. If they ran him in the BC, its "my opinion" that he can't get the distance with the big horses.
And conversely,using your logic, he has not shown anything to suggest that he can get the distance.The Derby may be a "throwout", but the FACT of the matter is he has tried it once and was hammered.