McKee Blew it!

[Danzig]

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

That's ridiculous. I could say the same thing about practically every good 3 year old. Who did Barbaro ever beat before the Derby?

Giacomo, on the other hand, beat some good horses in the Ky Derby. Does that prove that Gicaomo is a great horse? Not al all. He beat some great horses in the Derby but none of those horses ran their best that day. It's not who you beat. It's how you do it. You'd never make it as a bloodstock agent if you were constantly asking who a horse beat. Yuo won't be very successful as a bettor either. If you can't pick out a good horse until he beats a great horse in a fast time, you'll end up betting on nothing but 3-5 shots.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This really proves nothing though because the purses are so high for the 3 year olds stakes at Oaklawn. Purse value does not necessarily indicate talent in the race. Lawyer Ron was by far the most talented horse to come out of Oaklawn this year, but the second was Steppenwolfer, who, sorry is a second tier 3 year old. He did suck up for third in the Derby, but he was beat how many?

thing is, just like every other year, anyone can come to arkansas. purses are high everywhere for 3 yo's in the spring, the florida derby also offers 1 million. blue grass stakes with 750k...but no sinister minister in the top ten.

all i know is, if lawyer ron is so bad, than maybe oxley and ward better reconsider going to the bcc with strong contender...since he's only managed to beat a horse yesterday who evidently has only beaten bad horses. you'd think a bunch of other bad-horse-beaters would come to ark for the easy money as well...
i hope some day i own a rotten mule like lawyer ron, i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Okay first of all Lawyer Ron is of course better than SM, no doubt. Do you think Stong Contender has a shot in the Classic, really? He was trounced by Bluegrass Cat, who in turn was trounced by Bernardini, I know he was hurt. I'm not saying Lawyer Ron is a mule he is a very talented horse, but can you name me 1 horse to come out of the Oaklawn 3 year old preps to win a graded stakes race?

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

[Danzig]

also, do i think strong contender has a shot? as good as some maybe, not as good as others. he still has a lot of upside, he's lightly raced and seems to be improving. who knows?! hell, volponi won it, why not SC?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

High cotton? LOL

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

High cotton? LOL

he asked a question, i answered it. it's a fact, sorry you don't like the answer.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

he asked a question, i answered it. it's a fact, sorry you don't like the answer.

Private Vow, wasn't he a G1 winner?

Oh, we can't count that, because that was some other time and doesn't fit the arguement...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Private Vow, wasn't he a G1 winner?

Oh, we can't count that, because that was some other time and doesn't fit the arguement...

yeah, he beat pv as well..graded winner going into the ark derby, and graded placed since. early book fave for the derby as well...

with a city was a grade 1 winner going into arkansas, died may six.

[Gander]

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

I agree, and he's only a length better than LR yesterday, but LR wouldn't have a shot?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

tossout yesterday? no way...i used him and lawyer ron in the espn contest. shoulda bet it, had another ex as well....

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

Congrats on having SC yesterday Gander. I just went back and watched the replay of the Haskell. I should have watched it before the Super Derby yesterday. You were right, SC's trip was brutal especially in the first half of the race. SC almost got up for second in a race that most horses would have never had a chance in after a trip like that...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stand corrected, but refresh my memory, when did he run at Oaklawn?

Arkansas Derby

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by merasmag

most of you know i LOVE lawyer ron, he is my rockhardten, my smarty, my male version of winning colors---i didn't see the race and that's probably a dam good thing- i wouldve either A-had a heart attack or 2-been barred from my beloved mud bug til after bc day-that's all i KNOW is the guy who placed my bet for me said he shoulda won, and that was the general consensus of the people there who would make most people here look like amateurs (then again, he also kept insisting the race was fixed, he was pretty drunk by the time i got there but he kept insisting all races at la downs are fixed, i know who huey long was, are races there more suspect then say...hawthorne?)

Of course "everyone" said he should have won. He was 4/5 and obviously the consensus bet him.

It was a clear victory by Strong Contender. Neither horse is all that good.

[Gander]

Merasq- Face it, you couldnt pick a winner after the race. Your so cold you make me look like I know what I am talking about. Please pick against Lava Man and say he has no shot in the BC.

[Gander]

I believe the Seahawks beat the Giants by 16 or 18 points. Not a football fan, just happened to see the highlights. I wish I could take a nap. Its 2 more hours of work then a pizza and Cold Stone for a huge shake. Its one of those days.