McKee Blew it!

Pointg5 · #1 09-24-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not talking down, just proving you wrong. I guess he is in the top ten three year olds right now, but I seriously doubt he's scaring anyone away. Bernardini scares people away. Plain and simple.

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

dalakhani · #2 09-24-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

Because Bernardini has actually beaten good horses. Your argument is one that you cannot prove thus it is very weak. There is no data supporting what you say.

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

Danzig · #3 09-24-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

enough horses to put him firmly in the top ten for earnings this year.

Danzig · #4 09-24-2006, 05:02 PM

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

dalakhani · #5 09-24-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

1 Lava Man 6 6 0 0 $2,470,000
2 Barbaro 5 4 0 0 $2,203,200
3 Bernardini 6 5 0 0 $1,610,480
4 Bluegrass Cat 7 2 4 0 $1,547,500
5 Lawyer Ron 7 5 1 0 $1,340,800
6 Showing Up 7 5 0 1 $1,130,500
7 Fleet Indian 5 5 0 0 $1,113,720
8 Cacique 6 2 3 0 $994,432
9 Invasor 3 3 0 0 $990,000
10 Wait a While 7 4 1 2 $880,807

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

Rupert Pupkin · #6 09-24-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

That's ridiculous. I could say the same thing about practically every good 3 year old. Who did Barbaro ever beat before the Derby?

Giacomo, on the other hand, beat some good horses in the Ky Derby. Does that prove that Gicaomo is a great horse? Not al all. He beat some great horses in the Derby but none of those horses ran their best that day. It's not who you beat. It's how you do it. You'd never make it as a bloodstock agent if you were constantly asking who a horse beat. Yuo won't be very successful as a bettor either. If you can't pick out a good horse until he beats a great horse in a fast time, you'll end up betting on nothing but 3-5 shots.

Danzig · #7 09-24-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This really proves nothing though because the purses are so high for the 3 year olds stakes at Oaklawn. Purse value does not necessarily indicate talent in the race. Lawyer Ron was by far the most talented horse to come out of Oaklawn this year, but the second was Steppenwolfer, who, sorry is a second tier 3 year old. He did suck up for third in the Derby, but he was beat how many?

thing is, just like every other year, anyone can come to arkansas. purses are high everywhere for 3 yo's in the spring, the florida derby also offers 1 million. blue grass stakes with 750k...but no sinister minister in the top ten.

all i know is, if lawyer ron is so bad, than maybe oxley and ward better reconsider going to the bcc with strong contender...since he's only managed to beat a horse yesterday who evidently has only beaten bad horses. you'd think a bunch of other bad-horse-beaters would come to ark for the easy money as well...
i hope some day i own a rotten mule like lawyer ron, i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Danzig · #8 09-24-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Okay first of all Lawyer Ron is of course better than SM, no doubt. Do you think Stong Contender has a shot in the Classic, really? He was trounced by Bluegrass Cat, who in turn was trounced by Bernardini, I know he was hurt. I'm not saying Lawyer Ron is a mule he is a very talented horse, but can you name me 1 horse to come out of the Oaklawn 3 year old preps to win a graded stakes race?

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

Danzig · #9 09-24-2006, 05:22 PM

also, do i think strong contender has a shot? as good as some maybe, not as good as others. he still has a lot of upside, he's lightly raced and seems to be improving. who knows?! hell, volponi won it, why not SC?

dalakhani · #10 09-24-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

High cotton? LOL

kentuckyrosesinmay · #11 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stand corrected, but refresh my memory, when did he run at Oaklawn?

Arkansas Derby

dalakhani · #12 09-25-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

most of you know i LOVE lawyer ron, he is my rockhardten, my smarty, my male version of winning colors---i didn't see the race and that's probably a dam good thing- i wouldve either A-had a heart attack or 2-been barred from my beloved mud bug til after bc day-that's all i KNOW is the guy who placed my bet for me said he shoulda won, and that was the general consensus of the people there who would make most people here look like amateurs (then again, he also kept insisting the race was fixed, he was pretty drunk by the time i got there but he kept insisting all races at la downs are fixed, i know who huey long was, are races there more suspect then say...hawthorne?)

Of course "everyone" said he should have won. He was 4/5 and obviously the consensus bet him.

It was a clear victory by Strong Contender. Neither horse is all that good.

Gander · #13 09-25-2006, 02:34 PM

Merasq- Face it, you couldnt pick a winner after the race. Your so cold you make me look like I know what I am talking about. Please pick against Lava Man and say he has no shot in the BC.

Pointg5 · #14 09-24-2006, 05:01 PM

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

dalakhani · #15 09-24-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....

But can you name ONE that was good? LOL

Pointg5 · #16 09-24-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't really get what you are asking but the point is, Lawyer Ron fans have been making excuses for two days now. You attempted to try and compare he and Bernardini and it was a bad comparison.

If you can't understand that you are arguing the same thing, by saying that LR beat no one, but Bernardini has beat all of the ones they put in the gate, how is that not contradicting yourself...I guess you are too assinine to figure it out...

Danzig · #17 09-24-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

and i agree completely with that! they can't all be top tier.
like i said, different folks will always question what horses beat. thing is, the horses have no control at all over who they face. all they can do is try their best. thank goodness for the horses mental well being, they can't read!! they'd all be in therapy!!

Pointg5 · #18 09-24-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

I never once blamed the jock, I don't think it was his fault, maybe he should have let him run, but who knows if that would have made a difference...I said the whole thing is on LR...He should have won yesterday, but he didn't, no excuses from me, he went too fast too early...

SC ran a huge Sheet # at Belmont, he's a much better horse than I thought, for LR to run like he did against him really impressed me...I am tired of this conversation and I am out...I should be happy, the Bengals won today...I am sorry Dahoss for using the F bomb on you, that was uncalled for, but I didn't like the tone you were using with me...I edited the post and pm'd Kasept to tell him what I did, I feel bad for doing that...It's just a message board and I shouldn't get so heated...

slotdirt · #19 09-25-2006, 02:02 PM

Sweetnorthernsaint is back working again....I'm hoping he can become the monster we all thought he could be pre-Derby. I think his Preakness performance, all things considered, was pretty brave. Many a horse would have gave up that day.