Anybody See the 6th at Laurel Today?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

AQU R7: #3 Hello Gold

CHECKED INSIDE at the rear of the pack going into the turn and had to take back

YET

she somehow, miraculously, worked her way between horses, came wide entering and got up late.

another horse that wins after checking inside

Hello Gold slightly checked before they even got to the turn. That check cost the horse about a length of position. The horse was about 5 lengths back before the check and was no more than 6 lengths back after the check. The horse had no more than 1 length of trouble total.

You can't even compare this horse's trip to the other horse's trip. Hello Gold had a pretty good trip overall. Cowboy Gets Even was 2 lengths back before he got in tight. After he got done checking, he was 10 lengths back.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Hello Gold slightly checked before they even got to the turn. That check cost the horse about a length of position. The horse was about 5 lengths back before the check and was no more than 6 lengths back after the check. The horse had no more than 1 length of trouble total.

You can't even compare this horse's trip to the other horse's trip. Hello Gold had a pretty good trip overall. Cowboy Gets Even was 2 lengths back before he got in tight. After he got done checking, he was 10 lengths back.

My mistake. Keep posting these TRIP GEMS. I'll be looking for them, and waiting to bet out.

[blackthroatedwind]

The point that I tried to make, and the Fat Man tried as well, is that this horse's trip is pretty much irrelevent. Yes, he had a little trouble, so yes his running line is slightly less good than it could be, but you can't just pinpoint supposed " trouble " without taking the ENTIRE trip into account....and this horse had some good happen to him as well. Most people ignore this....which is a mistake.

None of this means the horse in reference couldn't turn out to be a decent horse, I'm dubious but it's not like there is a herd of Seattle Slews out there right now, but his trip is a lot more incidental, at least in the opinion of two of us, than you seem to believe.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

My mistake. Keep posting these TRIP GEMS. I'll be looking for them, and waiting to bet out.

You presented that race as if it was the same situation as Rupert's race. Rupert looked at your race, and posted how it looked to him like a very different situation for the horse involved. Instead of addressing what Rupert saw as a major difference in the level of trouble, you choose to post more insults.

Here's why I think a less sarcastic response was called for. By bringing up the other race, I assume you were trying to show that ordinary horses routinely win with the kind of trip Rupert's horse had. Shouldn't you have picked a horse that DID have the same kind of trip to make that point?

--Dunbar

[cmorioles]

Whether you are a speed figure guy or not, the 65 Beyer he was awarded has to damper the enthusiasm does it not?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Whether you are a speed figure guy or not, the 65 Beyer he was awarded has to damper the enthusiasm does it not?

Just a tad

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Whether you are a speed figure guy or not, the 65 Beyer he was awarded has to damper the enthusiasm does it not?

No, not at all. As I said, I thought the horse would have won by 9-10 lengths with an outside post. So what kind of Beyer would he have gotten if he would have won by 10? Maybe an 81 or so?

In that other thread about which 2 year old prospects (3 year olds now) that we like, I mentioned a couple of horses that didn't run particularly fast and they both came back and won stakes races. One was Uptowncharlybrown (he got a 77 Beyer). The other horse was Bear's Hard Ten. I can't remember what he got but I think it was in the 70s.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

No, not at all. As I said, I thought the horse would have won by 9-10 lengths with an outside post. So what kind of Beyer would he have gotten if he would have won by 10? Maybe an 81 or so?

In that other thread about which 2 year old prospects (3 year olds now) that we like, I mentioned a couple of horses that didn't run particularly fast and they both came back and won stakes races. One was Uptowncharlybrown (he got a 77 Beyer). The other horse was Bear's Hard Ten. I can't remember what he got but I think it was in the 70s.

If you are going to remind us about your successes, please feel free to throw in a few not so spectacular opinions.....or don't do it at all.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If you are going to remind us about your successes, please feel free to throw in a few not so spectacular opinions.....or don't do it at all.

Alright, I could do that. I didn't post it on this board but there is a horse named Jet Set Vinny who broke his maiden first-time out at the Medowlands over a year ago. I thought he had a great chance to be a stakes horse. He didn't turn out to be a very good horse. He's only won one race since his maiden win and it was in a $60k claiming race.