1/23 (GP): Holy Bull S. (G3)

Scav · #1 01-22-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Where is his good dirt race? His maiden race sucked, I crushed Rein King that day and hes turned out to be a slob, then look at the 2 who beat him in the stakes, I doubt this is a real dirt horse, might need turf/synthetics.

*running to the window right now!

GPK · #2 01-23-2010, 08:30 AM

Not sure why my dumbass thought this was a 1 1/8 race. I still like Litigation Risk.

miraja2 · #3 01-23-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Not sure why my dumbass thought this was a 1 1/8 race. I still like Litigation Risk.

Being confused about the distance of the Holy Bull doesn't make you a dumb ass. They have been changing it almost every year for the past five years. In '05 and '06 it was 9f, then I think they shortened it for a year or two, then lengthened it out again, and now this year they have shortened it again.
Its a bit hard to keep straight.

randallscott35 · #4 01-23-2010, 01:06 PM

1 box 1,5,8,9

RockHardTen1985 · #5 01-23-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

*running to the window right now!

Still waiting to see his good dirt race?

pba1817 · #6 01-23-2010, 10:11 PM

I thought it was a very solid effort by the top 2 finishers... Jackson Bend was 4 or 5 wide around the entire trip and finished up pretty well considering the other horses that were near the pace folded up...

I am curious how the beyer figure's came back as low as they did..?

In a race at the same distance Quality Road received a 103 beyer when running :25.15, :48.3, 1:12, 1:36.33 unknown variant...

This race went :23.9, :45.9, 1:09.8, 1:36.1 with a track variant of 21...

RockHardTen1985 · #7 01-23-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

I thought it was a very solid effort by the top 2 finishers... Jackson Bend was 4 or 5 wide around the entire trip and finished up pretty well considering the other horses that were near the pace folded up...

I am curious how the beyer figure's came back as low as they did..?

In a race at the same distance Quality Road received a 103 beyer when running :25.15, :48.3, 1:12, 1:36.33 unknown variant...

This race went :23.9, :45.9, 1:09.8, 1:36.1 with a track variant of 21...

What was the figure?

pba1817 · #8 01-23-2010, 10:20 PM

Winner received 91 and runner up 90, sorry

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 01-23-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

I thought it was a very solid effort by the top 2 finishers... Jackson Bend was 4 or 5 wide around the entire trip and finished up pretty well considering the other horses that were near the pace folded up...

I am curious how the beyer figure's came back as low as they did..?

In a race at the same distance Quality Road received a 103 beyer when running :25.15, :48.3, 1:12, 1:36.33 unknown variant...

This race went :23.9, :45.9, 1:09.8, 1:36.1 with a track variant of 21...

Track was very fast today.

For starters ... the Danny L. Miller first-time-starter went 1:08 3/5ths at 6fs earlier on the card.

pba1817 · #10 01-23-2010, 10:28 PM

So variant isn't part of the equation, just how fast other horses seem to be running over the track?

I actually do not think that the track was playing abnormally fast, I think that first timer you mentioned is probably a really fast horse, he did win easily by 5. The other main track races weren't super fast either....

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 01-23-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

So variant isn't part of the equation, just how fast other horses seem to be running over the track?

I actually do not think that the track was playing abnormally fast, I think that first timer you mentioned is probably a really fast horse, he did win easily by 5. The other main track races weren't super fast either....

Lets see ... a track record was broken by a 3yo 4th-time-starter who's only prior career win came in a mcl race at Calder.

A horse beaten 7+ lengths at Calder last time out barely won a MSW race in 1:21 and high change over a Michael Mareina trained 17/1 shot first time starter. Curlin won his debut by a city block going 7fs at GP in 1:22

A Danny L Miller trained first time starter was 1/5th of a second off of a 4 year old track record for six furlongs.

Unusual Song ... 10K N2L claimer off of 12 straight defeates ran 1:16 and change in victory.

Yeah - the track wasn't abnormally fast today.

pba1817 · #12 01-23-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - the track wasn't abnormally fast today.

Correct, btw do you know how to read a racing form?

Travis Stone · #13 01-23-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Track was very fast today.

For starters ... the Danny L. Miller first-time-starter went 1:08 3/5ths at 6fs earlier on the card.

This horse was the workmate of Tahitian Warrior, who won on opening day, and was subsequently sold and is now in Dubai. I thought today's effort might have a bit more impressive in that he did face a little adversity but still kicked away. Regardless, both were solid.

Sightseek · #14 01-23-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Still waiting to see his good dirt race?

Having him up close early probably wasn't the best decision.

Travis Stone · #15 01-23-2010, 10:59 PM

On a track playing very fast, these guys did not come home particularly quick. That said, Tony Dutrow wasn't even pointing to this race and kind of backed into it. Jackson Bend is a very nice horse but the question surrounding both is whether or not they want to go 10 furlongs.

pba1817 · #16 01-23-2010, 11:10 PM

Yea, the final quarter was pretty slow...

The Indomitable DrugS · #17 01-23-2010, 11:12 PM

Stately Victor, that Ghostzapper cripple that Mike Maker has, he made several lengths up late on Winslow Homer into the teeth of extremely easy fractions in his debut at Saratoga.

Considering how awful Maker is with debuters .. and how productive he is otherwise .. that horse should have been a force.

I think he and Eightyfiveinafifty might have run the two most impressive races by any 2yo male all Saratoga meet...and both came debuting in defeat against maidens.

Scav · #18 01-24-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Stately Victor, that Ghostzapper cripple that Mike Maker has, he made several lengths up late on Winslow Homer into the teeth of extremely easy fractions in his debut at Saratoga.

Considering how awful Maker is with debuters .. and how productive he is otherwise .. that horse should have been a force.

I think he and Eightyfiveinafifty might have run the two most impressive races by any 2yo male all Saratoga meet...and both came debuting in defeat against maidens.

Your gonna send your boy Vol Jack into cardiac arrest!..

Personally I think William's Kitten will be Maker's Derby horse. He will have the earnings and probably win the Blue Grass at Keeneland. He seems like a 10 furlong horse. I think his best surface will end up being turf, but he will run on anything.

NoLuvForPletch · #19 01-24-2010, 07:53 AM

After the Philly race in November I pronounced Winslow Homer my Derby horse.

I was not overly impressed by what I saw today. I still like that he has tactical speed and Ramon can put him in any spot he wants.

Being out of a Summer Squall mare, you'd like to think he can go the extra distance, but he had a sweet journey today and I would've expected him to win by many open lengths seeing how easy he was travelling in behind horses as they turned for home.

Jackson Bend had a much tougher trip, ran a better race in my opinion and I am not a fan.

gamblin4ever · #20 01-24-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

After the Philly race in December I pronounced Winslow Homer my Derby horse.

I was not overly impressed by what I saw today. I still like that he has tactical speed and Ramon can put him in any spot he wants.

Being by a Summer Squall mare, you'd like to think he can go the extra distance, but he had a sweet journey today and I would've expected him to win by many open lengths seeing how easy he was travelling in behind horses as they turned for home.

Jackson Bend had a much tougher trip, ran a better race in my opinion and I am not a fan.

It seemed like he was struggling to stay in front of JB at the end, But, Dutrow said he didn't like him in this race, so he probably didn't have him set to run. Lets see what happens @ FOY when he stretches out more.