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[tector]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh, tector, did you watch those two Euros destroy Curlin in the '08 BCC.

They clearly had no problem with the "plastic".

Did you see how the Euros fared against Big Mama last year?

09 "Euros" are just the same as 08 "Euros" because...you say so? You can't even bother to name them. Euros just equal Euros to you--brilliant. What deep thinking.

Horses are individuals. You have no idea how the 09 Euros would run on plastic without seeing them do it.

What a dopey, simplistic "argument".

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by tector

09 "Euros" are just the same as 08 "Euros" because...you say so? You can't even bother to name them. Euros just equal Euros to you--brilliant. What deep thinking.

Horses are individuals. You have no idea how the 09 Euros would run on plastic without seeing them do it.

What a dopey, simplistic "argument".

Uh, tector, there were at least two Euros which won Cup races on Pro-Ride last year... and others which ran well … including the one (Twice Over) which was no match for Big Mama in the Classic.

Btw, the same TO which beat '08 BCC winner Raven's Pass that year in Europe.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh, tector, there were at least two Euros which won Cup races on Pro-Ride last year... and others which ran well … including the one (Twice Over) which was no match for Big Mama in the Classic.

Btw, the same TO which beat '08 BCC winner Raven's Pass that year in Europe.

Is there a point to this? Let's see if anybody, besides you, can see it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by tector

Is there a point to this? Let's see if anybody, besides you, can see it.

Other than the fact that we've been spending the last two years running our country's biggest "dirt" race over a course that not only disadvantages dirt horses, but makes it so they literally cannot win? That we're running our country's biggest "dirt" race over a course that turf horses are willing to run on, when they wouldn't be entering were the biggest "dirt" race actually run on dirt?

Outside of that, I see no problems with it.

[tector]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Other than the fact that we've been spending the last two years running our country's biggest "dirt" race over a course that not only disadvantages dirt horses, but makes it so they literally cannot win? That we're running our country's biggest "dirt" race over a course that turf horses are willing to run on, when they wouldn't be entering were the biggest "dirt" race actually run on dirt?

Outside of that, I see no problems with it.

Well, that's a good point--but not his point.

[tector]

In some ways this is beginning to remind me of 1990, when EVERYBODY was salivating over EG and SS coming back (of course they had a tremendous 4 race real rivalry from the year before, not just a battle on paper like now).

It was an enormous dud. EG didn't show up until May and was done by the 4th of July. SS ran twice in June and was done. They never met in 1990.

If the same happened here it would not surprise me.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by tector

In some ways this is beginning to remind me of 1990, when EVERYBODY was salivating over EG and SS coming back (of course they had a tremendous 4 race real rivalry from the year before, not just a battle on paper like now).

It was an enormous dud. EG didn't show up until May and was done by the 4th of July. SS ran twice in June and was done. They never met in 1990.

If the same happened here it would not surprise me.

That's a very whispy recap of the '90 Easy Goer-Sunday Silence rivalry to say the least.

Outside of actually taking entries, the race was already setup. To be called the Arlington Challenge Cup, it was scheduled for August 4. The conditions stipulated that if both horses showed up, it would carry a $1 million purse. If one dropped out, it would fall to $600,000. If neither showed, $250,000.

Easy Goer retired July 18, no more than 2 weeks prior to the race. This also caused Criminal Type (who conquered both horses already on the year) to drop out, with Wayne Lukas calling an audible and sending him to the Whitney (he won) run on the same day as the Challenge Cup. Turf horse Steinlen was added to the probable field.

Despite EG's retirement, Sunday Silence still pointed to the race and was physically on the grounds at Arlington in early August. He was found to be injured and eventually retired the day of entries. Lukas dropped Steinlen out at this point, rerouting him to the Bernard Baruch.

Ultimately, warhorse Beau Genius won the race over CA-based Triteamtri, with Blue Grass winner Western Playboy 3rd. I think Clever Trevor was in the race as well.