McKee Blew it! - Page 2

jballscalls · #21 09-23-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

. Even was off the pace until the far turn in the Arkansas Derby. .

If i remember correctly, in the ARK. Derby, he was off the pace until midway round the CLUBHOUSE turn, and took command at the 6 furlong, and tugged McKee with him. Basically was a carbon copy of the ARk derby today, just didnt win.

Rupert Pupkin · #22 09-23-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I didn't see his last race. Was he out side of horse with nothing in his face?

I only saw the race once so I can't remember exactly. I think he may have taken a little dirt early on and then swung out on the far turn. I can't remeber if he cricled the field or came between horses. He was way back early. The Form shows he was 5th, 8 lengths back at the first call. At the 2nd call he was 5th, 6 1/2 lengths behind. He was 2nd, a length back at the 3rd call.

sumitas · #23 09-23-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Do you really think he'll factor in the Classic? He is going to have to improve A LOT. I think there is a big difference between the top 3 or 4 contenders, and horses like Strong Contender. He was a non factor in the Haskell, so I'm not too high on him making any noise in this years Classic.

It's something to keep in mind. I think the 12F will be no problem, he is improving. I don't know what his limitations are yet.

sumitas · #24 09-23-2006, 06:15 PM

sorry, i meant 10 f. today was 9f.

SundayStar · #25 09-23-2006, 06:30 PM

i guess point determined didn't like cajun cookin'

kentuckyrosesinmay · #26 09-23-2006, 06:31 PM

I love Lawyer Ron. He is a nice, gutsy horse that you can't help but root for. I agree with DaHoss in that I think Lawyer Ron is a very nice Grade II horse, but doesn't belong at the top. Neither one of the top two horses were slow today as the final time of the race was very nice, and Lawyer Ron ran under 47 seconds for the opening half mile. He was also expending a lot of energy, and was very rank. After watching the race, I think that LR might could have held off SC for the win had LR been able to settle. It would have been close though. I really don't think that LR is a mile and a quarter horse. I also don't think that is would be wise to send LR to the BCC this year. He would definitely be overmatched in that race.

SC is definitely improving. I think that Ward should definitely take the gamble and send this horse to the BC Classic. I loved the way be accelerated and galloped down the stretch today. Beautiful moving horse. It looks as if a mile and a quarter isn't going to be a problem for him...

Danzig · #27 09-23-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

This horse will be much better off with a diffrent jock. I watched this horse in the derby and he did the same thing. He runs off up the backside and McKee and he cant get him to relax. He gave him too many commands in a short amount of time. he finally gets the horse to slow down and then the race is just starting so he got to start askin him right after he was chokin him. I bet the horse is confused

just showered and was thinking in the shower that holthus needs to get a new rider for this guy. it's a shame. had he not fought with him, taking some of his energy, he might have had enough left at the end. no quitter in that one for sure. but that ride....yikes.

Danzig · #28 09-23-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Let him run, if he wants to, pinhead! Put 10 lengths on the field and make them come and get you. Won't use up more energy than that wrestling match did. How much was he beaten, a length? Should have had more than that in hand.

Holthus is an old-school guy, you know, loyal to his folks. But there has to be a limit, like when bone-head plays cost the owner a big purse.

exactly!!! argh....not saying that strong contender wouldn't have caught him anyway, but damn.

Danzig · #29 09-23-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Maybe he beats bad horses if he just runs out there, but he could never beat a quality horse doing that. He either learns to rate or will always be the overhyped horse he is now.

lol overhyped??? horse is well inside the top ten in earnings for the year. he's a mule alright.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #30 09-23-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I was serious about P val riding LR. You never see him fight a horse to place him, he's real good at not wasting your horse.

Lava Man last year Pacific Classic!

Scav · #31 09-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

PD is sad. How has this horse dropped so far so fast.

As for McKee ride is was McAweful, although I has SC. Lost several lengths in a toppsy turvy ride.

With all due respect, PD only had a step to fall down, he was never that good, my opinion

2Hot4TV · #32 09-23-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I am not a fan of PD at all. I never liked him. He never ran in a $100 claimer though.

I know he was entered in a maiden 100k claimer, he may of scratched out of the race, but I am pretty sure he ran. It was his first race at Santa Anita. Oh well it really doesn't matter.

2Hot4TV · #33 09-23-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Lava Man last year Pacific Classic!

you're right , nobodys perfect.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #34 09-23-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

you're right , nobodys perfect.

I know i am just being a hard a s s he does move horses up more than most jocks.

Mike_79 · #35 09-23-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

just showered and was thinking in the shower that holthus needs to get a new rider for this guy. it's a shame. had he not fought with him, taking some of his energy, he might have had enough left at the end. no quitter in that one for sure. but that ride....yikes.

Of all the things to be thinking about while in the shower you're thinking about Bob Holthus???

Danzig · #36 09-24-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike_79

Of all the things to be thinking about while in the shower you're thinking about Bob Holthus???

lol

not bob holthus...hell, no telling what will cross your mind in a free moment....my brain runs constantly, it's annoying at times, like when i'm trying to sleep and i can't shut down. i can't just sit. if i'm in a car, but not driving, i have to have something to read, or write, or do. in the shower i think...it's freaky.

Pointg5 · #37 09-24-2006, 07:43 AM

I don't think it was all McKee's fault, this is the second time that LR has run off like that, I don't know why he does it sometimes and sometimes not, he's kind of a strange horse. I think Rupert has the right idea any time you ask the horse he's go go go and no tractibility. He should have won that race yesterday, but he went too fast too early and maybe he's a little distance challenged to go that fast that early and win at a distance. Take nothing away from Strong Contender, he's a nice horse and he did what he should to win...I think both LR and SC ran very good races yesterday, there was a ton of lengths back to the other horses...When I saw that SC had that big Beyer, I thought that was inflated, but the Sheets gave him a -3 for that race, that's Bernardini-like. I am really curious to see what the #'s will be coming out of this race, because I think they will be respectable for both of them. Point Determined is not as good of a horse as LR or SC, but he's not that bad, he had to get hurt...I see no reason why both should not go on to the BC and they'll have plenty of time between races, I give both of them a big chance to run 2-3 in the BC...

Congrats Gander, I know you said you were loading up on SC, I made my first bet since the opening week of the Spa, keyed LR in a super, it was a small bet on my part, so no big loss. You said you were going big and when I saw SC getting to LR, I actually started cheering him on...

And to whoever said that LR should try turf, you might want to open up a Racing Form and look at his pp's....

Danzig · #38 09-24-2006, 08:53 AM

it's not mckee's fault he was rank and headstrong....but i think the general consensus is that if he's going to run off like that, don't sap his energy by making him fight you. he may have had enough left to fight off strong contender if mckee had just faced facts...
maybe next time he needs to keep ron behind horses, don't let him see an opening early on. hell, i don't know! he's got the ability, he sure didn't want to let contender by there at the end.

Pedigree Ann · #39 09-24-2006, 09:36 AM

Backtrack to February 1971. Whittingham has this promising colt who had come up from the Chile the previous summer and had won several nice races, and placed in a couple others, coming from off the pace. The Bald Eagle and his main man Shoemaker were finding their best strategy was to drop him out completely early and make a big looping move on the far turn. Today is the San Marcos H at 10f on the turf; Cougar II is the highweight and favorite. But when they spring from the gate, The Big Cat decides to throw out the script. He goes straight to the front and the Shoe wisely decides to humor him. He was 2 lengths in front the first time they went under the wire and 6 lengths in front the second time (the one that counted). His Felinity never did it again, I suppose because he had proved to his jock who was in control.

Moral of the story: Adjusting the plan to fit the horse's mood and race conditions works better than trying to force the horse to fit the plan. The ablility to make that kind of judgment on the fly is the difference between a top jock and a hard-working, consciencious midlevel jock like McKee.

Gander · #40 09-24-2006, 09:45 AM

Or could it just be Strong Contender is just a better horse?