Democrats in Disarray

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

The real problem with what he said is the stupidity on two fronts, first for actually thinking something so stupid, second for being stupid enough to actually say it to a reporter. Can't see how it is any different than the Lott situation and the result should be the same.

you don't see any difference between a comment on the electability of a black candidate and someone suggesting the u.s. would have been better off electing an avowed segregationist president?

they're the same thing?

i think one reason republican's are so lost when it comes to race is because they might sincerely believe this. reid's comment was stupid. lott's betrayed a lot more than mere stupidity.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you don't see any difference between a comment on the electability of a black candidate and someone suggesting the u.s. would have been better off electing an avowed segregationist president?

they're the same thing?

i think one reason republican's are so lost when it comes to race is because they might sincerely believe this. reid's comment was stupid. lott's betrayed a lot more than mere stupidity.

Yes, they are both racist and I condone neither. I don't believe in degrees of racism which by your comments aparently you do. Though, I think if the comments were reversed you would take the position that Reid should resign because Liberals like you only care about your agenda and what furthers it. I think Lott got what he deserved and now Reid should get what he deserves, a kick out the door.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Yes, they are both racist and I condone neither. I don't believe in degrees of racism which by your comments aparently you do. Though, I think if the comments were reversed you would take the position that Reid should resign because Liberals like you only care about your agenda and what furthers it. I think Lott got what he deserved and now Reid should get what he deserves, a kick out the door.

lol at harry reid's racism. you can make an arguement that what he said was reverse racism since it assumes that white's still want to vote only for people that look and sound like them. an accurate assessment for many in this county. i guess i'm also a racist for thinking so.

harry reid was a boob for speaking an uncomfortable truth. but it's hardly calling for seperation of the races, a position trent lott seemed to endorse in his comments about strom thurmond.

again. this is why you folks have so much trouble on race. you actually beleive your own propaganda.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

lol at harry reid's racism. you can make an arguement that what he said was reverse racism since it assumes that white's still want to vote only for people that look and sound like them. an accurate assessment for many in this county. i guess i'm also a racist for thinking so.

harry reid was a boob for speaking an uncomfortable truth. but it's hardly calling for seperation of the races, a position trent lott seemed to endorse in his comments about strom thurmond.

again. this is why you folks have so much trouble on race. you actually beleive your own propaganda.

Stop trying to suggest that I somehow condone what Lott said as I have in no way suggested that, Lott's comments were wrong, but you just can't stomach that your hero has made stupid racist comments which bear on his fitness to serve. He should have been worried about his candidate's agenda, not the color of his skin or the way he speaks.

How dare you suggest you know anything about me and race, but it is not unlike liberal idots like yourself to make such careless stupid comments. Are you really saying that you condone these comments and that Reid is fit to serve in our government. Keep trying to defend him, it just gets funnier with every comment you post!

P.S. I don't put much stock in those who make arguments that can't spell the word.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Stop trying to suggest that I somehow condone what Lott said as I have in no way suggested that, Lott's comments were wrong, but you just can't stomach that your hero has made stupid racist comments which bear on his fitness to serve. He should have been worried about his candidate's agenda, not the color of his skin or the way he speaks.

How dare you suggest you know anything about me and race, but it is not unlike liberal idots like yourself to make such careless stupid comments. Are you really saying that you condone these comments and that Reid is fit to serve in our government. Keep trying to defend him, it just gets funnier with every comment you post!

P.S. I don't put much stock in those who make arguments that can't spell the word.

get the chip off your shoulder if you're going to post down here. taking anything i posted in this thread personally is laughably egotistical. when did i say anything about you? why would i bother?

getting back to the point. since you are insisting what reid said is racist, could you parse that out for me? what specifically was racist about it? explain it to me. you are the one insisting on putting an equal sign between what reid said and what lott said. i'm saying it isn't there and i already posted my thoughts on why.

don't keep coming on here saying it's obviously racist without explaining. i don't think it is. i think it's much closer to profiling of white voters. why am i wrong?

btw: i think i also misspelled "believe" in the earlier post.

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[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

get the chip off your shoulder if you're going to post down here. taking anything i posted in this thread personally is laughably egotistical. when did i say anything about you? why would i bother?

getting back to the point. since you are insisting what reid said is racist, could you parse that out for me? what specifically was racist about it? explain it to me. you are the one insisting on putting an equal sign between what reid said and what lott said. i'm saying it isn't there and i already posted my thoughts on why.

don't keep coming on here saying it's obviously racist without explaining. i don't think it is. i think it's much closer to profiling of white voters. why am i wrong?

btw: i think i also misspelled "believe" in the earlier post.

If you need me to explain to you why his comments are racist, then you are more lost than I ever imagined. Not even Reid is making that contention and he apologized for a reason. You just can't admit that there is a double standard, if this was a Republican, people, like Harry Reid, would be calling for his/her head.

As for it being "closer to profiling of white voters," that is a nice try at a spin on it. Are you saying if it is true then the comments are not racist? When has that ever been a defense to racism? Do you really believe that racist whites are more apt to vote for a light skinned African-American candidate than a darker skinned candidate? There will always be idiots that will vote along racist lines, but the vast majority of whites made it clear by electing Obama that Reid's racist views are overwhelmingly not true, the mistake the majority of voters made was buying into Obama's flawed, unrealistic policies.

You, and many other Democrats, only defend Reid because he wants to put forward your flawed agenda which the American people are rejecting in droves. If you don't believe that Reid himself would not jump all over a Republican who made what some also consider to be a true but racially controversial statement, here is how Reid reacted:

Washington, DC — The following is a statement by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid on William Bennett’s recent comments:

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

“I am appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks and call on him to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to recover from two devastating Hurricanes, now is the time to help one another, not feed the fires of racism. America can do better. The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett’s comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant. They are reminiscent of a time our nation is still struggling to overcome.

Again, I call on him to issue an immediate apology to the nation for his insensitive remarks.”

So let's get to the point.

1- Reid's comments were racist.
2- there are IMO no degrees of "acceptable" racism as you argue.
3- you only defend Reid because he puts forth your flawed agenda.
4- Reid may want heed his own advice.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

Reid is an idiot. But when you post things like this and try to say it's the same thing, you're doing a fine job of making sure Reid isn't the only one...

It's not "degrees of racism," as seems to be your buzzphrase-- they're two totally different things that you're clearly incapable of understanding, and that you just made even more obvious with the attempt to place some sort of equivalency between the comment above and Reid's.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

If you need me to explain to you why his comments are racist, then you are more lost than I ever imagined. Not even Reid is making that contention and he apologized for a reason. You just can't admit that there is a double standard, if this was a Republican, people, like Harry Reid, would be calling for his/her head.

As for it being "closer to profiling of white voters," that is a nice try at a spin on it. Are you saying if it is true then the comments are not racist? When has that ever been a defense to racism? Do you really believe that racist whites are more apt to vote for a light skinned African-American candidate than a darker skinned candidate? There will always be idiots that will vote along racist lines, but the vast majority of whites made it clear by electing Obama that Reid's racist views are overwhelmingly not true, the mistake the majority of voters made was buying into Obama's flawed, unrealistic policies.

You, and many other Democrats, only defend Reid because he wants to put forward your flawed agenda which the American people are rejecting in droves. If you don't believe that Reid himself would not jump all over a Republican who made what some also consider to be a true but racially controversial statement, here is how Reid reacted:

Washington, DC — The following is a statement by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid on William Bennett’s recent comments:

Yesterday, on his radio call-in show, former Reagan Secretary of Education, William Bennett made the following comment, “… you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”

“I am appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks and call on him to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to recover from two devastating Hurricanes, now is the time to help one another, not feed the fires of racism. America can do better. The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett’s comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant. They are reminiscent of a time our nation is still struggling to overcome.

Again, I call on him to issue an immediate apology to the nation for his insensitive remarks.”

So let's get to the point.

1- Reid's comments were racist.
2- there are IMO no degrees of "acceptable" racism as you argue.
3- you only defend Reid because he puts forth your flawed agenda.
4- Reid may want heed his own advice.

and for all that furious typing, you still haven't explained how what reid said was racist. and i don't think you can.

stop throwing out the "it's so obvious i don't have to explain it" b.s. and spell it out for me. reid said that a lighter skinned black who spoke in a way white people find pleasant has more opportunity than a darker skinned man who doesn't.

what specifically is racist about that observation?

if you're going to come down here and type yourself into rhethorical corners, you should have some idea how to get out of them. i don't think you do.

just remember that fox has a fake controversy every day. you might not want to make a permanent record of your gullibility by commenting on them until you've actually thought it through for yourself.