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09-23-2006, 10:43 AM
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09-23-2006, 10:45 AM
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well, if you are just talking accomplishment during the running of their 3YO year, then, no- there probably are not 10 better US dirt horses than Secretariat. when you say "better", I think accomplishment. I have no idea. I cant even say with complete confidence who is "better" btwn 2 horses from the same crop like Bernardini and Discreet Cat, so I have no freaking clue who is better btwn Secretariat and a horse that ran 30 years earlier like Citation or Coaltown. Repent
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09-23-2006, 10:49 AM
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and i just read further on where repent 'fessed up again. hell, 'pent, i had smarty all along and never made a dime on him! you gotta play to win. no biggie...also had sunday silence, didn't bet him either. of course i was too young to play genuine risk.
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09-23-2006, 10:51 AM
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#105
09-23-2006, 10:52 AM
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09-23-2006, 11:03 AM
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also regarding secretariat....it's always difficult to debate this horse and what he did, and did not do. he accomplished quite a lot, his tc races were breathtaking performances. BUT the best horse ever doesn't lose 5 of 21. almost 1/4 of his races were losses. ignoring those would be like ignoring perfect drifts losses on turf when he was a potential hoy candidate--remember that argument by his trainer??
i think you could make the argument that there were ten horses who were better at three than secretariat. of course you could make an argument on just about anything.... so, if you truly thought about it--what ten would there be? eclipse colin man o war--don't forget, this guy was placed ahead of sec on the top 100 by bloodhorse. seattle slew--unbeated thru the tc, something sec was not. count fleet citation spectacular bid affirmed--after all, he had to keep beating alydar war admiral--perfect 8 for 8, including a win in the belmont with one fourth of his hoof ripped off at the start. his preakness was ONE WEEK after the derby (in which he had the second fastest time in that race)-preakness time was two ticks off the track record, and the track was 'good' not fast. and in the belmont, he broke the belmont track record (set by man o war) and equaled the american record for that distance. now, am i saying i really believe those ten were better??? lol maybe they are, maybe they aren't. my point is you could make that argument. it's all in the eye of the beholder. secretariat gets most of his laurels due to three races. important races obviously....BUT overall at three?
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09-23-2006, 11:04 AM
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09-23-2006, 11:07 AM
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He confirmed himself Europe's Champion Miler with a truly majestic performance. I will post my full thoughts on the race in the International Forum shortly!
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09-23-2006, 11:08 AM
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#111
09-23-2006, 11:09 AM
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after the race they interviewed AO and he said the the BC mile is the most likely next stop for him.
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#112
09-23-2006, 11:16 AM
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gw vs aragorn.
two fantastic descendants of the legend known as northern dancer, and both irish breds. one thru storm cat, the other thru danzig. and both with raise a native on their dams side....
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09-23-2006, 08:41 PM
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this was disappointing to say the least. thought Librettist might be a superhorse. anyone know if something went wrong with him? I could not tell anything from watching the replay. George Washington is not going to scare off any of the top milers currently running in the states. Im not even sure he would beat Cacique at 8f, much less Aragorn. Repent
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09-23-2006, 08:47 PM
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yeah Zeig, I lost a ton that Spring. this was back when I was in school and really only bet on weekends, which meant I played a lot of stakes races(totally stupid way to bet, but thats another subject). that damn horse beat me everytime. the one time he did get beat, I had Eddington and not the winner(Birdstone). what a disaster. yeah, its safe to say I totally hate that horse and hope he fails miserably at stud. I was just thinking today while watching Fairplex that I hope this is where his offspring end up. I would not cry at all if lucky jones gets shipped off to Korea or Costa Rica or wherever else. Repent
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09-23-2006, 09:55 PM
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eddington is going to his old mans stall at claiborne....i liked him, he just couldn't seem to really put it all together.
i still can't believe that birdstone won the belmont. it's not that i thought smarty couldn't lose...any horse can lose. but birdstone?! and i think i do better at races other than the stakes as well. i know when we had that weekly contest at different tracks, i kicked butt at canterbury while everyone else was crying in their beer.
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#116
09-23-2006, 10:07 PM
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GW may not scare off anyone here but I wouldn't ignore him either. My main concern for a horse like that coming over here for the mile is the different course configuration and the different way the pace could be run, i don't think it plays in his favor. with that said, i thought his effort today was remarkable.
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09-23-2006, 10:11 PM
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thanks for the thoughts. I respect GW. but Im not sold that he is Rock of Gibraltar #2 like some are making him out to be. I'll take Libbretist again if they meet. and Zeig, I actually think Birdstone was a lot better than I and a lot of other ppl originally thought. he ran a bang up race later that summer in the Travers defeating a pretty good stablemate in the The Clffs Edge. closed well into a really slow pace if I remember correctly. what sucks about Eddington was that he was just starting to figure it out when he had to be retired. looked really good on turf in FL and then won the Pim Special, which was the Grade 1 they needed. Repent
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09-23-2006, 10:14 PM
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i think what killed me on birdstone was the race he was in on the sealed track...he looked godawful. his travers was decent. but he was nowhere near mr jones talent-wise...he just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and had a jock with sense enough to ride that race the right way while everyone gang-tackled smarty.
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#119
09-23-2006, 10:21 PM
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lol, that was a horrible race. was at Turfway back when they had real dirt. it was won by some horrible horse like Sinister G or something. i think I see him running in claiming races at Aqueduct now. yeah, Zito used the sealed track as an excuse, and maybe it was a legitimate one, but it was a terrible effort by Birdstone. Repent
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09-23-2006, 10:24 PM
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Did you see something today that would make you think he'll turn the tables next time? Librettist had everything he would need to win today, the right distance and postional advantage. when the real running started he was going the wrong way. Plus he was beat by more than just GW.
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