Vikings Love in Vegas

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Was just looking at the Garbage 49ers.
Look at their 8 losses.
@ Minny
vs Atl (still healthy at the time)
@ Houston
@ Indy
vs Tenn (at the begining of their roll)
@ GB
@ Seattle (That's a bad one, lost in last second)
@ Philly

Granted they play in argueably the weakest division, but that certainly wasn't the easiest schedeule in NFL history with alot of tough games which they ended up losing on the road. But, they were far from garbage.

just to be clear when i say garbage , i am specifically talking about that team's offense , not the entire team

the 49ers we both no matt have a tremendous D and are led by a defenseive minded head coach

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[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

just to be clear when i say garbage , i am specifically talking about that team's offense , not the entire team

the 49ers we both no matt have a tremendous D and are led by a defenseive minded head coach

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Marty I don't have a dog in this fight (maybe a bad choice of words), but I think you a very quick to discount games that they won against lesser teams. You keep mentioning the Pittsburgh game. They are the reigning champions for cryin out loud. Who were embarrassed while scoring 6 points in Cleveland the week before. Plus they dropped the game vs Oakland the week prior to that. They still had a chance and were playing for their playoff lives at the time. I just think you can't only discount the games that you want and keep bringing up one game that the defending champs needed to have to stay alive for the playoffs,

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Marty I don't have a dog in this fight (maybe a bad choice of words), but I think you a very quick to discount games that they won against lesser teams. You keep mentioning the Pittsburgh game. They are the reigning champions for cryin out loud. Who were embarrassed while scoring 6 points in Cleveland the week before. Plus they dropped the game vs Oakland the week prior to that. They still had a chance and were playing for their playoff lives at the time. I just think you can't only discount the games that you want and keep bringing up one game that the defending champs needed to have to stay alive for the playoffs,

i'm not dis-counting games

my feeling is that this defense will have to make some plays in the playoffs to advance

it maybe this sunday , it maybe rd 2 . it mabye the nfc title game , but , there will be a spot in the playoffs where the defense will have to win a game for them as rodgers won't be able to put the team on his back all the way to miami

the defense has played well at times , but , to think they are the 2nd best unit in the league is hysterical if you look deeply at their schedule and realize that cleveland , detroit , san fran , seattle , and chicago won't be on the slate . most likely the slate will include warner , brees and favre , maybe romo or mcnabb - do you see the defense doing it 3 weeks in a row againstthis caliber of competetion - i don't

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i'm not dis-counting games

my feeling is that this defense will have to make some plays in the playoffs to advance

it maybe this sunday , it maybe rd 2 . it mabye the nfc title game , but , there will be a spot in the playoffs where the defense will have to win a game for them as rodgers won't be able to put the team on his back all the way to miami

the defense has played well at times , but , to think they are the 2nd best unit in the league is hysterical if you look deeply at their schedule and realize that cleveland , detroit , san fran , seattle , and chicago won't be on the slate . most likely the slate will include warner , brees and favre , maybe romo or mcnabb - do you see the defense doing it 3 weeks in a row againstthis caliber of competetion - i don't

Um, Marty, aside from the bizarro Raiders can you find me any team that plays better against good teams than they do against the bad ones? That is the way it works. The fact is, the Packers have done better against those bad teams than other defenses have. Against the Cowboys and Cardinals they completely shut down good offenses. They played well enough to win at Pittsburgh until the last play. The only team in the NFC that worries me in regards to the Packers are the Vikings who they clearly struggled with.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Um, Marty, aside from the bizarro Raiders can you find me any team that plays better against good teams than they do against the bad ones? That is the way it works. The fact is, the Packers have done better against those bad teams than other defenses have. Against the Cowboys and Cardinals they completely shut down good offenses. They played well enough to win at Pittsburgh until the last play. The only team in the NFC that worries me in regards to the Packers are the Vikings who they clearly struggled with.

you seriously are not couting the cardinals game from last week are u?

that aside , my question to you is can this defense hold up for 3 weeks on the road (assuming philly is out)

to me i don't see it , they haven't done it well eneough agianst the best teams (except the dallas game)

i think rogers can win them a game maybe two , but , do you really think this defense will get them to a superbowl , i'm sorry i just don't see it , can they win a shootout yes of course (the lost to pitt on the last play of the game)

i just don't see that D doing it for 3 straight weeks on the road against winning teams - tell me why i am wrong aobut that ?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you seriously are not couting the cardinals game from last week are u?

that aside , my question to you is can this defense hold up for 3 weeks on the road (assuming philly is out)

to me i don't see it , they haven't done it well eneough agianst the best teams (except the dallas game)

i think rogers can win them a game maybe two , but , do you really think this defense will get them to a superbowl , i'm sorry i just don't see it , can they win a shootout yes of course (the lost to pitt on the last play of the game)

i just don't see that D doing it for 3 straight weeks on the road against winning teams - tell me why i am wrong aobut that ?

Yes, I do think they can make the Super Bowl. Their defense and their offense can both play solid games and they can win. They don't need one or the other to win them every game like you are making it out to be. The rest of the teams in the NFC look really bad right now, it isn't completely impossible they could wind up hosting the NFC championship, both New Orleans and Minnesota are not playing their best football right now.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, I do think they can make the Super Bowl. Their defense and their offense can both play solid games and they can win. They don't need one or the other to win them every game like you are making it out to be. The rest of the teams in the NFC look really bad right now, it isn't completely impossible they could wind up hosting the NFC championship, both New Orleans and Minnesota are not playing their best football right now.

you need philly to win , while not impossible , highly unlikely

let's keep it simple

stranger things have happened before , but, unless they get the eagles at home in the nfc championship game , i just don't see it - i can't see them winning 3 games on the road all vs teams with winning records - can you see them winning 3 road games to get to the superbowl with this D? i just don't see it scott

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, I do think they can make the Super Bowl. Their defense and their offense can both play solid games and they can win. They don't need one or the other to win them every game like you are making it out to be. The rest of the teams in the NFC look really bad right now, it isn't completely impossible they could wind up hosting the NFC championship, both New Orleans and Minnesota are not playing their best football right now.

az - did they look bad when the buried minnesoata 3 weeks ago? what did they have to play for at 4:00 when the #2 seed was gone and they were locked into playing the following week?

dallas - they looked bad in GB , but since then with a lone loss to SD by 3 pts surely they aren't palying bad are they? no way the packer D is better than wade phillips unit

minn and no - both beatable , az and dallas have beaten them , packers couldn't split with the vikings

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yes, I do think they can make the Super Bowl. Their defense and their offense can both play solid games and they can win. They don't need one or the other to win them every game like you are making it out to be. The rest of the teams in the NFC look really bad right now, it isn't completely impossible they could wind up hosting the NFC championship, both New Orleans and Minnesota are not playing their best football right now.

would you care to take this statement back?

how bout some swiss cheese for lunch this week mr capers?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i'm not dis-counting games

my feeling is that this defense will have to make some plays in the playoffs to advance
it maybe this sunday , it maybe rd 2 . it mabye the nfc title game , but , there will be a spot in the playoffs where the defense will have to win a game for them as rodgers won't be able to put the team on his back all the way to miami

the defense has played well at times , but , to think they are the 2nd best unit in the league is hysterical if you look deeply at their schedule and realize that cleveland , detroit , san fran , seattle , and chicago won't be on the slate . most likely the slate will include warner , brees and favre , maybe romo or mcnabb - do you see the defense doing it 3 weeks in a row againstthis caliber of competetion - i don't

Everyone's defense is going to have to step up. I think you are just hung up with all the stats saying that they are the 2nd best defense in the league. Honestly, who cares about those numbers? There is only one thing that matters right now and it's getting to that game in Miami in a couple of weeks. And realistically with the offense that they have, the defense doesn't have to be perfect for them to win. All numbers and stats go out the window at this point. And with the exception of Cowboys right now, who is playing better football in the NFC? I don't see any reason that they can't make it to Miami.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Everyone's defense is going to have to step up. I think you are just hung up with all the stats saying that they are the 2nd best defense in the league. Honestly, who cares about those numbers? There is only one thing that matters right now and it's getting to that game in Miami in a couple of weeks. And realistically with the offense that they have, the defense doesn't have to be perfect for them to win. All numbers and stats go out the window at this point. And with the exception of Cowboys right now, who is playing better football in the NFC? I don't see any reason that they can't make it to Miami.

reason - 3 weeks in a row on the road , going against warner , brees , favre /romo

do you really think this D will hold up against all 3 qb's and offenses in 3 straight weeks on the road, i'm sorry i just don't see it , winning on the road in the playoffs is difficult eneough , not having a shutdown D makes it even harder , all the pressure will be on rodgers for 3 weeks , i'm betting that he cracks in 1 of those weeks

they are a good team , with a top qb , i just don't get the reason for the packer lovefest, the "D" is avg at best and in my opinion will not hold up over 3 weeks on the road

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

reason - 3 weeks in a row on the road , going against warner , brees , favre /romo

do you really think this D will hold up against all 3 qb's and offenses in 3 straight weeks on the road, i'm sorry i just don't see it , winning on the road in the playoffs is difficult eneough , not having a shutdown D makes it even harder , all the pressure will be on rodgers for 3 weeks , i'm betting that he cracks in 1 of those weeks

they are a good team , with a top qb , i just don't get the reason for the packer lovefest, the "D" is avg at best and in my opinion will not hold up over 3 weeks on the road

Don't discount the fact that they could run the ball too. But I just don't understand the lovefest with the rest of the NFC, Like I said, besides Dallas (as painful as it for me to say that) who has been worldbeaters the last few weeks? They lost by a TD when they played in Minny in what was a close game stats wide.
Like I said, I think the NFC is wide open. A couple of years ago no one gave the Giants a shot (including myself, with exception in reguards to that Tampa game. I just thought the Bucs sucked {sorry Bigs & Rude}), but they went on the road and beat Romo and Favre in their respective homes and the way to winning the Super Bowl. As far as I'm concerned it's wide open and they have the talent to make it.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Don't discount the fact that they could run the ball too. But I just don't understand the lovefest with the rest of the NFC, Like I said, besides Dallas (as painful as it for me to say that) who has been worldbeaters the last few weeks? They lost by a TD when they played in Minny in what was a close game stats wide.
Like I said, I think the NFC is wide open. A couple of years ago no one gave the Giants a shot (including myself, with exception in reguards to that Tampa game. I just thought the Bucs sucked {sorry Bigs & Rude}), but they went on the road and beat Romo and Favre in their respective homes and the way to winning the Super Bowl. As far as I'm concerned it's wide open and they have the talent to make it.

fair point - i still just don't see this team winning 3 in a row on the road , the giants and steelers did it , but it is very rare for it to happen