Vikings Love in Vegas

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think that it could get them to the Super Bowl... Sure why not? I really think that the NFC is wide open.

Saints- Arguebly the best team, but haven't looked like worldbeaters the last few weeks.

Vikings- Dangerous team who is a lot better at home and would have to beat the Pack for a third time (didn't work out so well for Dallas a few years ago).

Cards- High powered offense that did beat the Vikings. But you talk about schedules, they didn't exactly beat a cast of world beaters. But probably gained some valueable experience last year.

Cowboys- Dr. Jeckell - Mr. Hyde. They could either be lights out or just God awful. Never know what you are going to get.

Eagles- A team with defensive trouble. Plus people are jumping off the bandwagon quick after last weeks debacle.

I'll tell you this matt , the 2 nfc winners this week whomever they are can all knock off the saints and vikings

i agree the nfc is wide open

i'm not sold on the packer d , but, as i said rogers can carry them a couple of games , i don't think they can win 3 in a row on the road imo against playoff teams

as far rematches , the cowboys get the eagles for a 3rd time this yr. it is very hard to beat a team 3 times as the cowboys know from 2 yrs ago when they had a bye and waited for the giants to come to them for game 3 ....we know what happened

i think big d benefits here as they play right away , i also think big d has the better d and as long as romo does not implode they should win

2 yrs ago i thought the 7 pt underdog giants had a chance becuase i never got the feeling that dallas was that much better than them in either game during the regular season , if i remember right the 1st game was in big d and it was a shootout and game 2 at the meadowlands was close until TO got free for one late. Watching both philly games this year , i just don't see the philly o being able to do much against the cowboys d ......they will need help from their d to create scoring opportunites

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

I'll tell you this matt , the 2 nfc winners this week whomever they are can all knock off the saints and vikings

i agree the nfc is wide open

i'm not sold on the packer d , but, as i said rogers can carry them a couple of games , i don't think they can win 3 in a row on the road imo against playoff teams

as far rematches , the cowboys get the eagles for a 3rd time this yr. it is very hard to beat a team 3 times as the cowboys know from 2 yrs ago when they had a bye and waited for the giants to come to them for game 3 ....we know what happened

i think big d benefits here as they play right away , i also think big d has the better d and as long as romo does not implode they should win

2 yrs ago i thought the 7 pt underdog giants had a chance becuase i never got the feeling that dallas was that much better than them in either game during the regular season , if i remember right the 1st game was in big d and it was a shootout and game 2 at the meadowlands was close until TO got free for one late. Watching both philly games this year , i just don't see the philly o being able to do much against the cowboys d ......they will need help from their d to create scoring opportunites

That's fine, but that doesn't mean that the Packers offense couldn't win a shootout if necessary either.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

That's fine, but that doesn't mean that the Packers offense couldn't win a shootout if necessary either.

i agree with that and never said they couldn't win a couple that way

my original comment said that their d was not good and i stanby that no matter what the numbers say .....they looked like swiss cheese against big ben a few wks ago

[gales0678]

here is a good snapshot on the packer d this year:
i still think that rodgers can get them a win or two , but see below about the defense i was talking about

"Just for fun I decided to break down this awesome Green Bay defense to see just how great they are and this is what I came up with.

Green Bay played the following teams which were in the top 10 in total offense- (this is not a comparison of Arizona to Green Bay, just an analysis of games played by them)

Minnesota twice
Dallas at home once
Pittsburgh once

GreenBay played the following teams in the bottom 10 in total offense-

Cleveland
Chicago twice
St.Louis
Tampa Bay
San Fran
Detroit twice

In total Green Bay has played 4 games against top teams and 8 games against bottom teams.

In the games that Minny played against the top teams, the following results occured.

Green Bay went 1-3 against teams with superior offenses, a win against Dallas and losses in the other three games.

Green Bay gave up 320 yards offense in the first Minny game and 30 points. In the second game they gave up 350 yards offense and 38 points. Against Dallas they gave up 275 yds and 7 points (good game at home) and against Pitt they gave up 560 yards and 37 points.

The only team they faced in the last half of the season was Pitt that had a good offense and they gave up a ton of passing yards and lost the game.

If you play enough games against bad teams, the defense can look good on paper.

Last season the Cards played multiple opponents that were top in defense, but they won the games and I think the same theory stands here.

If Arizona plays their game and meets or exceeds their normal offensive numbers, they stand a very very good chance at winning the game.

Stats have to be evaluated in context to have pertinence."

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by gales0678

here is a good snapshot on the packer d this year:
i still think that rodgers can get them a win or two , but see below about the defense i was talking about

"Just for fun I decided to break down this awesome Green Bay defense to see just how great they are and this is what I came up with.

Green Bay played the following teams which were in the top 10 in total offense- (this is not a comparison of Arizona to Green Bay, just an analysis of games played by them)

Minnesota twice
Dallas at home once
Pittsburgh once

GreenBay played the following teams in the bottom 10 in total offense-

Cleveland
Chicago twice
St.Louis
Tampa Bay
San Fran
Detroit twice

In total Green Bay has played 4 games against top teams and 8 games against bottom teams.

In the games that Minny played against the top teams, the following results occured.

Green Bay went 1-3 against teams with superior offenses, a win against Dallas and losses in the other three games.

Green Bay gave up 320 yards offense in the first Minny game and 30 points. In the second game they gave up 350 yards offense and 38 points. Against Dallas they gave up 275 yds and 7 points (good game at home) and against Pitt they gave up 560 yards and 37 points.

The only team they faced in the last half of the season was Pitt that had a good offense and they gave up a ton of passing yards and lost the game.

If you play enough games against bad teams, the defense can look good on paper.

Last season the Cards played multiple opponents that were top in defense, but they won the games and I think the same theory stands here.

If Arizona plays their game and meets or exceeds their normal offensive numbers, they stand a very very good chance at winning the game.

Stats have to be evaluated in context to have pertinence."

Any reason to consider the fact that they were learning a new defense and it doesn't happen over night and it took 7-8 games for them to understand what they were trying to do under Capers?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Any reason to consider the fact that they were learning a new defense and it doesn't happen over night and it took 7-8 games for them to understand what they were trying to do under Capers?

you can argue that if you would like , but let's look at the last 8 games an see what we have , is that not fair?

dallas - best defenseive game of the year against a quality offense
sf - garbage
det - garbage
balt - decent effort at home against a playoff team with an offense middle of the pack
chi - a step above garbage but not much
pit - no comment needed on this one
sea - west coast team in lambeau in dec that had it shut down
az - can't count this one

so if i look at the last 8 games , you really can only talk about 2 games where the "d" did much - the dallas game and the balt game

of the other 6 games what did they really do???

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you can argue that if you would like , but let's look at the last 8 games an see what we have , is that not fair?

dallas - best defenseive game of the year against a quality offense
sf - garbage
det - garbage
balt - decent effort at home against a playoff team with an offense middle of the pack
chi - a step above garbage but not much
pit - no comment needed on this one
sea - west coast team in lambeau in dec that had it shut down
az - can't count this one

so if i look at the last 8 games , you really can only talk about 2 games where the "d" did much - the dallas game and the balt game

of the other 6 games what did they really do???

So 7-9 & 8-8 teams in the NFL are garbage now?
They won 7 out of the last 8. With 24 being the most points they gave up in those games (excluding the loss against Pittsburgh on the road) and that being against the so called "garbage" 8-8 Niners. No one is saying that they are the '85 Bears, but try giving the Pack a little credit.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you can argue that if you would like , but let's look at the last 8 games an see what we have , is that not fair?

dallas - best defenseive game of the year against a quality offense
sf - garbage
det - garbage
balt - decent effort at home against a playoff team with an offense middle of the pack
chi - a step above garbage but not much
pit - no comment needed on this one
sea - west coast team in lambeau in dec that had it shut down
az - can't count this one

so if i look at the last 8 games , you really can only talk about 2 games where the "d" did much - the dallas game and the balt game

of the other 6 games what did they really do???

Dallas-great d game
SF- sub par game
Det- smoked them and allowed 12 pts
Balt- great d effort
Chi- good d effort against a tough rival on the road
Pit- terrible d effort on the road
Sea-destroyed them
Az-destroyed them from the start when AZ had all starters playing

Your arguement is based on the quality of who they play, but
Dallas is the 3 seed- got a garbage td at end of the game
SF- 8-8 team
Det- well they suck
Balt - 6 seed 9-7 team
Chi 7-9 team
Pitt 9-7
sea 5-11 and yeah they suck but did nothing at all against the d
AZ 4 seed and they had the starters in until it was 14-0