U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

August 7, 2009: Pakistan - Pakistan's Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed by a CIA missile strike, a severe blow to extremists threatening the stability of this nuclear-armed nation and a possible boost to U.S.-Pakistani cooperation in fighting insurgents who wreak havoc along the Afghan border. Pakistani officials vowed to dismantle the rest of the network run by Baitullah Mehsud regardless of who takes over, a move seen as essential to crippling the violent Islamists behind dozens of suicide attacks and beheadings in the country.

September 15, 2009: Kenya - US helicopter gunships attack a convoy of vehicles carrying Al Qaeda militants and killed Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, an important Al Qaeda leader wanted for the bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998 and an Israeli-owned Kenyan hotel in 2002. The raid shows U.S. President Barack Obama's administration does not intend to allow Somalia to remain a safe haven for Al Qaeda and it is determined to thwart the drive by Islamic militant group Al Shabaab to control Somalia. Al Shabaab has direct links to Al Qaeda and uses foreign troops in its battles to control Somalia.

September 20, 2009: Airport shuttle driver Najibullah Zazi is at the center of a growing FBI investigation into what officials describe as an al-Qaeda cell nearly ready to launch a domestic terror attack. T he Colorado resident was arrested Sept. 20 on charges of misleading investigators after allegedly denying he recognized his handwriting on bombmaking materials. His father, Mohammed Wali Zazi, 53, and a New York City man, Ahmad Wais Afzali, were also arrested on similar allegations.


September 25, 2009: An American admirer of the Taliban and a Jordanian national were under arrest Friday in separate attempts to blow up an Illinois courthouse and a Texas kyscraper, authorities said. Hosam Maher Husein Smadi and Michael Finton (also known asTalib Islam) were arrested and stopped before their terrorist plans could be carried out.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

This Presidents' inaction has caused the terrorists to be emboldened by the "sleeping giant" not slapping them down, or broadcasting their planned offensives,for instance.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

This Presidents' inaction has caused the terrorists to be emboldened by the "sleeping giant" not slapping them down, or broadcasting their planned offensives,for instance.

Nonsense. There's been plenty of action, on several fronts. Obama took out the biggest, most feared Al Quaeda guy in Somalia.

Pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality go away.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. There's been plenty of action, on several fronts. Obama took out the biggest, most feared Al Quaeda guy in Somalia. Pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality go away.

What did he do? Hit him over the head repeatedly with the bully pulpit?

I didnt know Obama was personally knocking guys off. Wow. Didn't think he had it in him...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i meant.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i meant.

dont bother..she is at the bottom of the drain pan..her stand is allways obama the great bush sucks..she is clueless as to what really happens in
u.s intel .. guess o.b missed the ones that just killed 100 at a soccer match..they gave those guys milk and cookies wile they got the exit interview
at gitmo..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

What in the world are you talking about? If you read those links and came to the conclusion that you did means you are either drunk or didn't understand what was stated. I mean you arent even in the same ballpark of what they were saying. If you didnt read the links then perhaps you should, to at least form a serious reply because your current one comes out of left field (pardon the pun)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" -

Compared to the alternative his middle name is enough for me!!!

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

you really are clueless but in common with the chief?

this Pres relied solely on his intelligence and 7 days after it was common knowledge knows the undy pants bomber was Al Qaada?


PS so happy the idiot who had "a deep understanding of the mid east" as you say, "similar to Obama" finally apologized for being an anti-Semite

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Why Did the Bush Administration Send Hardcore Terrorists Back to Al-Qaida?

One of the most troubling aspects of the recent explosion of activity by Al-Qaida in Yemen (otherwise known as "Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula") is the role being played by Saudi nationals who are former detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

At least eleven former Saudi Gitmo prisoners who were sent back home by the Bush administration between 2003-2007 have promptly rejoined Al-Qaida in Yemen -- including individuals who made no secret of their intentions upon being released.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Give me a break. You are just trying to steer the topic off of your statement. No one said that Bush and co had a perfect record. Truthfull what they should have done was get all the info they could out of the detainees and sent them home.


In caskets.

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.