U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It was the fault of two groups. 1) The people who didn't at least re-look at his VISA and 2) The airport security who let him through

in Nigeria or Amsterdam?

[Danzig]

they need to start using those full body scanners-i understand some might not relish the thought of being 'exposed' like that, but the use of scanners isn't for salacious purposes. it would reveal devices such as the one the guy was wearing-that is the more important thing, not whether someone can make out your private parts!
napolitano's repeated comment that 'the system worked' is absolute hogwash.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

in Nigeria or Amsterdam?

European Security is good at airports, but if we are serious about flights coming into the US, we should have US Security checking all US Bound International flights. Would we let Amsterdam officials screen an O'Hare to Laguardia flight? Then why is it OK for them to screen a Detroit bound flight?

It would not be cheap and logistically very difficult, but if we want ownership of who and what is on these Intl US Bound flights, then we should do our own screening.

Now...this isn't meant as an endorsement of US TSA agents by any means...they are troublesome enough as it is, but it's about the principal.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

European Security is good at airports, but if we are serious about flights coming into the US, we should have US Security checking all US Bound International flights. Would we let Amsterdam officials screen an O'Hare to Laguardia flight? Then why is it OK for them to screen a Detroit bound flight?

It would not be cheap and logistically very difficult, but if we want ownership of who and what is on these Intl US Bound flights, then we should do our own screening.

Now...this isn't meant as an endorsement of US TSA agents by any means...they are troublesome enough as it is, but it's about the principal.

perfectly put..happy new year..

The Obama Administration failed. He's more worried about being on camera rather than making sure the lines of communication between agencies are open.

You can't blame this one on Bush.

[Riot]

This clearly involves the failure of eight years and billions of dollars of "security procedures in place". Bush had responsibility for seven of those years, starting with 9/11. And when was the previous shoe bomber? Obama only had the past year.

Blaming only "the Obama administration" for this is ridiculous. Plenty of intra- and inter-agency failure to go around.

Our airport security system should have been humming along smoothly years ago. Instead it's been fraught with problems since inception.

Bush had four TSA heads in seven years. Obama has had a TSA head nominated for months, whose appointment one Republican has been blocking due to fear of unionization of workers. GOP politics screwing with our safety.

As an aside, Bush prosecuted terrorists in federal court, now Cheney is doing the political hack job on Obama for doing exactly the same. Hypocrites. Bush didn't speak about the shoe bomber for a week, the GOP is bitchin' Obama didn't say anything for three days. Hypocrites. Cheney is talking about "war on terrorists" and Obama doesn't want to publically declare war, and give these pathetic losers the publicity and disruption of America and instillation of fear they crave. The GOP is a clown car show as far as "national security" and "terrorism" goes. Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What we need is Israeli-style airport security. This guy fit the profile of a terrorist bomber to a tee, and it had nothing at all to do with his color, his name, or his father's clear warning: two-week trip, but only one small carry-on. One way ticket, paid for in cash.

They should have caught him before the gate. And they didn't need x-ray screening machines to do it.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Riot

This clearly involves the failure of eight years and billions of dollars of "security procedures in place". Bush had responsibility for seven of those years, starting with 9/11. And when was the previous shoe bomber? Obama only had the past year.

Blaming only "the Obama administration" for this is ridiculous. Plenty of intra- and inter-agency failure to go around.

Our airport security system should have been humming along smoothly years ago. Instead it's been fraught with problems since inception.

Bush had four TSA heads in seven years. Obama has had a TSA head nominated for months, whose appointment one Republican has been blocking due to fear of unionization of workers. GOP politics screwing with our safety.

As an aside, Bush prosecuted terrorists in federal court, now Cheney is doing the political hack job on Obama for doing exactly the same. Hypocrites. Bush didn't speak about the shoe bomber for a week, the GOP is bitchin' Obama didn't say anything for three days. Hypocrites. Cheney is talking about "war on terrorists" and Obama doesn't want to publically declare war, and give these pathetic losers the publicity and disruption of America and instillation of fear they crave. The GOP is a clown car show as far as "national security" and "terrorism" goes. Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What we need is Israeli-style airport security. This guy fit the profile of a terrorist bomber to a tee, and it had nothing at all to do with his color, his name, or his father's clear warning: two-week trip, but only one small carry-on. One way ticket, paid for in cash.

They should have caught him before the gate. And they didn't need x-ray screening machines to do it.

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Why?...You can't blame Obama for this anymore than you can blame Bush for the shoe bomber. Give me a break

[Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Really? Can you expound on anything specific you disagree with, or is calling names the limit of your IQ and political knowledge?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Can you support a claim like this with some form of an argument. I don't think it's too much to ask.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Our airport security system should have been humming along smoothly years ago. Instead it's been fraught with problems since inception.

Ah another successful govt program! Cant wait till 2014 to see how bad the healthcare care TSA is....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

August 7, 2009: Pakistan - Pakistan's Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed by a CIA missile strike, a severe blow to extremists threatening the stability of this nuclear-armed nation and a possible boost to U.S.-Pakistani cooperation in fighting insurgents who wreak havoc along the Afghan border. Pakistani officials vowed to dismantle the rest of the network run by Baitullah Mehsud regardless of who takes over, a move seen as essential to crippling the violent Islamists behind dozens of suicide attacks and beheadings in the country.

September 15, 2009: Kenya - US helicopter gunships attack a convoy of vehicles carrying Al Qaeda militants and killed Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, an important Al Qaeda leader wanted for the bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998 and an Israeli-owned Kenyan hotel in 2002. The raid shows U.S. President Barack Obama's administration does not intend to allow Somalia to remain a safe haven for Al Qaeda and it is determined to thwart the drive by Islamic militant group Al Shabaab to control Somalia. Al Shabaab has direct links to Al Qaeda and uses foreign troops in its battles to control Somalia.

September 20, 2009: Airport shuttle driver Najibullah Zazi is at the center of a growing FBI investigation into what officials describe as an al-Qaeda cell nearly ready to launch a domestic terror attack. T he Colorado resident was arrested Sept. 20 on charges of misleading investigators after allegedly denying he recognized his handwriting on bombmaking materials. His father, Mohammed Wali Zazi, 53, and a New York City man, Ahmad Wais Afzali, were also arrested on similar allegations.


September 25, 2009: An American admirer of the Taliban and a Jordanian national were under arrest Friday in separate attempts to blow up an Illinois courthouse and a Texas kyscraper, authorities said. Hosam Maher Husein Smadi and Michael Finton (also known asTalib Islam) were arrested and stopped before their terrorist plans could be carried out.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What we need is Israeli-style airport security. This guy fit the profile...

They should have caught him before the gate. And they didn't need x-ray screening machines to do it.

Yeah we do except we have this liberal institution on this country called the ACLU that goes to court to support the rights of terrorists and any measures taken to protect American citizens from them.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The Obama Administration failed. He's more worried about being on camera rather than making sure the lines of communication between agencies are open.

You can't blame this one on Bush.

I tend to stay away from the political threads. I read a lot of them but it's a horsie board so I just don't like getting into it.

This though... this is one of the funniest God damned posts evah!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Now...this isn't meant as an endorsement of US TSA agents by any means...they are troublesome enough as it is, but it's about the principal.

I read an editorial that suggested that the majority of TSA employees be sent off to bag groceries, as befits their abilities; and that a slew of higher-IQ but currently unemployed college graduates be hired to take their places.

I thought it made a point.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I read an editorial that suggested that the majority of TSA employees be sent off to bag groceries, as befits their abilities; and that a slew of higher-IQ but currently unemployed college graduates be hired to take their places.

I thought it made a point.

TSA screeners make about 8.50 an hr........not exactly crimestoppers!
Regarding your continued slamming of Bush on everything.....reminds me of that Nego college Fund slogan...a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

TSA screeners make about 8.50 an hr........not exactly crimestoppers!
Regarding your continued slamming of Bush on everything.....reminds me of that Nego college Fund slogan...a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

You might notice that I don't actually, "continually slam Bush on everything" Just the stuff he deserves, and especially when what that administration did is ignored, and the current one blamed.

Tell me, do you think there's any continued Obama-bashing on this board?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

my first iggy on the list..riot..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

my first iggy on the list..riot..

I could only be so lucky