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12-23-2009, 01:10 PM
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12-23-2009, 01:23 PM
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No doubt the game needs an influx of need blood. And, the best way to attract new players is to follow the model of POKER. Check out all the new players that POKER drew by providing special treatment for all their HIGH ROLLERS. I mean, in the World Series of Poker, for example, all HIGH ROLLERS get a 10% rebate on their stack. So, all the HIGH ROLLERS (including the BEST PLAYERS) aren't really winning on their own (for the most part).
Yeah. What racing really needs to do is show all the gamblers out there looking for a new game that ALL PLAYERS are treated EVENLY. And, that having a NEGATIVE ROI means that you LOSE MONEY. If they can't attract players to the game using this model, then maybe they need the game to be a bit SIMPLER. Keeping the game difficult for some while making it simpler for others is not exactly the way to go about making it an attractive proposition. I bet a lot of money, so I need an unfair advantage. This might work when it comes to dealing with banks, for example, but, in situations where there's a choice, it's not happening.
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12-23-2009, 01:25 PM
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Fabulous Strike is getting a break on a farm in Ocala, Fla., and will be pointed to a limited 7-year-old campaign in 2010 that his connections hope ends with a start in the Breeders' Cup Sprint at Churchill Downs in November. A multiple stakes winner, Fabulous Strike has not raced since getting run down by Kodiak Kowboy in the Grade 1 Vosburgh in the slop at Belmont in early October. A much deserved break after running all of what, 5 times in 2009?
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12-23-2009, 01:49 PM
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Separately, why in the world would Fabulous Strike draw ire? All he does is show up every time out. Horses that run really fast are the most likely to get hurt and most likely to need time between starts. Todd Beattie has handled Fabulous Strike brilliantly, and his scheduling has ALLOWED him to make the starts he has and still have a horse going into his 7yo season.
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12-23-2009, 02:01 PM
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12-23-2009, 02:04 PM
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I like both: Betting on cheap races and watching races where Fabulous Strike wins at 3/5 type odds, a la the Vanderbilt and True North. Guess I will have to wait until April to see Fabulous Strike again.
Any guesses on his return race? The Carter?
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12-23-2009, 02:08 PM
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12-23-2009, 02:17 PM
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BC Sprint at Churchill (Nov)... Vosburgh (Oct) Vanderbilt (Aug) True North (June) Churchill Downs H. (May, but don't know if you want to go 7f first start back)
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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12-23-2009, 02:13 PM
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As important as gamblers are to horse racing, it's a pretty expensive and inefficient way to provide that entertainment or livelihood.
Providing a gambling outlet is not why breeders, owners, trainers, track workers form a whole industry around, and dedicate their lives, to a live animal.
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12-23-2009, 02:08 PM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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12-23-2009, 02:15 PM
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12-23-2009, 02:27 PM
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First and foremost, the continuing decline of handle needs to be addressed, but once you really delve into the topic there are so many smaller factors that affect this and need fixing too.
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12-28-2009, 11:07 AM
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Last edited by johnny pinwheel : 12-29-2009 at 08:56 AM.
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01-03-2010, 10:48 AM
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The most important that tracks/the sport needs is bettors. And the fact that they can't even get this right, reguarding the whole signal fiasco is amazing.
I've been looking foward to today all week, my first free day in a while just to sit relax and bet. I bought todays form and it covers: Aqueduct Cancled Gulfstream Signal dispute Tampa Bay Philadelphia Canceled Fair Grounds Signal dispute Santa Anita Signal dispute Obviously the cancelations are bad luck. But we always discuss if there are to many races/tracks. But on this Sunday many people on the east coast only have access to about 2 tracks, Turfway and Tampa (not including Charestown and Hialeah). You would think that if racing can't fix this problem (where they are probably losing tons of money), how are they going to fix the other things that will supposedly make the game better. Bottom line is once again it's the bettors/fans that take it right in the shorts.
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12-23-2009, 02:39 PM
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It's difficult to do that when the top horses run 4-6 times a year.
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12-23-2009, 02:40 PM
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You need to turn gamblers into fans. Horse racing needs to lower the takeout. It is not a non-starter. It needs to be done across the board.
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12-23-2009, 03:23 PM
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You have all kinds of little hurdles and a few big ones.
Easily the biggest problem though is that the sport is viewed as a suckers game that can't be beaten - a game played almost solely by degenerates and addicts. Once someone gets past that and decides they want to give the game a shot - they find out how very intimidating the sports is to learn. It becomes obvious that some of the people sold to the public as experts on the sport clearly aren't exactly serious handicappers ... I think a lot of people conclude that the sport is all about betting, at a high rake, on inconsistant animals that run in circles with stupid little men on them. A lot of people will still think messing around and doing that from time to time is pretty fun .. but it's not something they'll dive into like lame-ass poker. The hottest thing now right here is scratch off tickets - some fool with rotten teeth in his early 20's hits for seven figures on a scratch off ticket .. and you can't go into a Country Fair without seeing lines five deep at the stupid scratch off vending machine.
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12-23-2009, 03:56 PM
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Yes, lower the take out needs to be done.
Horse racing is a skill game much like poker. The new players that get involved with poker have a chance to practice and polish thier game before they risk thier money and horse racing doesn't offer a way to gain experiance in a quick informal setting like poker. We all know that to win at horse racing you have to spend time with a race, i.e. ThroGraph, Sheets, Form and watching past performances and today the little Gobbers dont want to wait or work for anything so they pull the handle on a slot machine and some find poker a challenge. Few are willing to work at handicapping and most don't want be a fool and risk thier money when they don't have a clue for 5/2 or 4/1.
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12-23-2009, 04:49 PM
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Experiment a little with the takeout, have ONE Saturday a month at MAJOR tracks where takeout on ALL wagers is reduced to 5% (Not Turfway on a single PK4 to 4% has to be for all wagers). See what it does to handle. Then you will have your answer to the effect takeout has on the product. If gamblers think they are getting a fair shake they'll play, if they are being gouged 15%-26%+ on every wager they are going to look for a better game. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
Fix the assinine IRS W-2G reporting requirements...$600+ (300-1) has been around for how long? It's been the same for the 30 years I've been playing. How come inflation effects everything else, but this reporting requirement never changes? If they don't want to change it, make the base bet $.10 for all exotics. Since the IRS doesn't allow you to net gains & losses throughout the year, but instead requires you to report all gains and then itemize losses, then everything should be done from a racetrack perspective to help the player avoid W-2G's. This is not done and any serious player will go offshore or stop playing. Fix the breakage, with dime super's being offered and the age of computerized/self service wagering this laughable as to why this isn't corrected.
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12-26-2009, 12:44 AM
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 . What do you mean by this? As a gambler AND a fan, I would rather watch Go for Gin against Curlin 10x (for example) and bet each and every time then wait until I knew one of them had tied up the week before and then scoring.
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