Grey on Belmont Day

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You are correct, while I don't particularly like Grey Swallow, a responsible Pick-6 for reasonable money must use him somewhere on at least one of your tickets. If you're playing for a few hundred bucks it is probably fine to spend you money elsewhere ( like using as many horses as possible against Too Much Bling ) but no responsible ticket, for real money, would completely leave Grey Swallow out.

Well my track record is pretty hard to beat. Look, we will occasionally go deep, but only a substantial carryover. The key to effectively playing a ticket in the 600 dollar range(which is what we almost always spend) is to isolate the bad faves. Ateam I respect you but until you hit a few high 5 figure or 6 figure numbers I really can't say that I think you know all the ins and outs. Blackthroat has hit many as well.
You simply can't cover every fringe chalk horse and still have enough room in the multiples to cover the horses who can give you a nice one.
We aren't trying to hit every pik-6, we are trying to hit ones they pay well and at the same time have a chance to hit lower paying tickets if thats whats comes up. Tomorrow we will spend more than we usually do. I have two singles and as of right now the ticket is still very high. To me Gorella is just a gimme. And I love Cacique and will be singling him as well. I have watched both of caciques races and think he has not fired his best shot yet. EC looks like a bounce to me off a lifetime top that he ran with a perfect trip.
I'm currently three deep in the True North and VERY deep in the ACron, Woody Stephens, and Belmont. I strongly feel that in those three races above the other three legs that a price will come in at least one of those races and very strongly feel that a price will exist in at least two of those legs. Therefore you work backwards off those three races attempting to narrow the others, in my opinion. And if you have a ticket in the 1200 dollar range, please feel free to post it. I know you don't play them a lot, and I think you will find when constructing one as a mental exercise that the 1200 bucks goes fast when putting one together. There will always be horses you have to leave out in order to make the ticket fit the money you are spending. Thats a given. Todays pik-6 will give me nightmares as well, its a VERY hard ticket to play. If it was easy, they wouldnt ever pay huge money, and you always need some luck to hit one. The one we caught for 39 grand on Sunday at Hollywood is one that gave me fits for two nighst afterwards. The bad ride we got in the first leg on the 2nd horse probably cost us having a ticket that would have paid in the 240-300 grand range, maybe more.

[blackthroatedwind]

Your track record is pretty hard to beat? Do you really want to start that nonsense with me here? Give me a break.

I play the Pick-6 with my own money and regardless of what partners I may have I also make up the tickets so pardon me if I feel a right to discuss successful Pick-6 strategy. My success, as you well know, has been pretty substantial in Pick-6s over the last couple years.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Your track record is pretty hard to beat? Do you really want to start that nonsense with me here? Give me a break.

I play the Pick-6 with my own money and regardless of what partners I may have I also make up the tickets so pardon me if I feel a right to discuss successful Pick-6 strategy. My success, as you well know, has been pretty substantial in Pick-6s over the last couple years.

Andy i was speaking to Ateam, not you. reread the post.
And my record is hard to beat. Lansdon and I have done as well as anybody I know who only spend a limited amount of cash.

[blackthroatedwind]

True, Mike, but I was mislead by your using my post as a header. Do you put in the same amount of money as Landson or pay for just your share?

Playing Pick-6s is about surviving. The reason they are hard to hit is that it is rare in a six race sequence that there isn't at least one " trip-up " race and often more. Obviously the more of these there are the more it will pay and your only hope of making a decent score is to successfully navigate at least a couple of these situations. However, it is all good and fine to get your two oddball horses home, but if you outsmart yourself and leave off a logical favorite in an earlier race you are doomed. So, success in the Pick-6 leans heavily on two things, having good opinions at the right time as well as, and MORE importantly, putting your ticket(s) together correctly.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

True, Mike, but I was mislead by your using my post as a header. Do you put in the same amount of money as Landson or pay for just your share?

Playing Pick-6s is about surviving. The reason they are hard to hit is that it is rare in a six race sequence that there isn't at least one " trip-up " race and often more. Obviously the more of these there are the more it will pay and your only hope of making a decent score is to successfully navigate at least a couple of these situations. However, it is all good and fine to get your two oddball horses home, but if you outsmart yourself and leave off a logical favorite in an earlier race you are doomed. So, success in the Pick-6 leans heavily on two things, having good opinions at the right time as well as, and MORE importantly, putting your ticket(s) together correctly.

I agree with every word of your post, you would be shocked how often you and I think exactly alike. Our common friend often gets your thoughts from another common friend and when he asks me for mine he very often says, thats the same thing that you said.
Lans puts up the money, and I get "sweat equity". I once wanted to buy in to a ticket with him at a higher percentage and he declined. Its his feeling that by having him put up the cash it eliminates emotions from me and causes me to operate with clarity. He knows me better than anyone, and I really can't argue with his thoughts. Hes rarely wrong when it comes to me.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I agree with every word of your post, you would be shocked how often you and I think exactly alike. Our common friend often gets your thoughts from another common friend and when he asks me for mine he very often says, thats the same thing that you said.
Lans puts up the money, and I get "sweat equity". I once wanted to buy in to a ticket with him at a higher percentage and he declined. Its his feeling that by having him put up the cash it eliminates emotions from me and causes me to operate with clarity. He knows me better than anyone, and I really can't argue with his thoughts. Hes rarely wrong when it comes to me.

Ora you get a lot of grief from posters knocking you because of Lbigs investment on the Pk6s but this looks to me like this is a key element of yalls stratagy. Very good. The first time I have heard of this aspect of the partnership. A very astute view of Lbigs and very good of you to recognize this.

Originally Posted by jpops757

Ora you get a lot of grief from posters knocking you because of Lbigs investment on the Pk6s but this looks to me like this is a key element of yalls stratagy. Very good. The first time I have heard of this aspect of the partnership. A very astute view of Lbigs and very good of you to recognize this.

Well I mean really its just common sense. Betting 6-1200 every time there is a carryover is just way too rich for my blood. Thats why I have never tried to represent it as an equal partenership. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I meet who are partners in one of those syndicates who will say "My horse is running tomorrow". I mean, to represent it like that would have the listener assume that the person saying that owns the whole horse. Its just not true.