Lets hope Halladay is a playoff stud like Lee

[Cannon Shell]

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...illies_18.html

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I Don't get it. If they had paid Lee the 9 mil, then they had Hamels, Lee, and Halliday possible for the World Series. They were competitive for it all in 2009 with just Lee pitching well. Chances are 2 out of those 3 above starters would be pitching well in the 2010 World Series. That's all they needed. All I can think of is they were concerned about the chemistry going bad (too much expected from them etc.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I Don't get it. If they had paid Lee the 9 mil, then they had Hamels, Lee, and Halliday possible for the World Series. They were competitive for it all in 2009 with just Lee pitching well. Chances are 2 out of those 3 above starters would be pitching well in the 2010 World Series. That's all they needed. All I can think of is they were concerned about the chemistry going bad (too much expected from them etc.)

The only logical explanation seems to be they are just cheap

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only logical explanation seems to be they are just cheap

seattle got lee ?

they might be tough next year?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only logical explanation seems to be they are just cheap

In the end, they gave up a ton of prospects to get Lee and a ton of prospects to get Halladay. As an Indian fan, I think they gave up very minimal amounts to get Lee, but what do I know. I think it's still simply a case of trying to get some of those prospects back. That's it. Cheapness is certainly also involved, they're simply gambling Halladay is enough this year to get them back to the World Series. The postseason is a crap shoot anyway. They had zero chance to sign Lee. Evidently Lee wants Sabathia money. I'm not sure who will give him that. Lee was the big winner. He has a much better chance to put up good numbers with Seattle as his home park rather than Philly despite the presence of a DH. I can honestly see both sides to should the Phillies have traded Lee argument. Sometimes being cheap can work.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

In the end, they gave up a ton of prospects to get Lee and a ton of prospects to get Halladay. As an Indian fan, I think they gave up very minimal amounts to get Lee, but what do I know. I think it's still simply a case of trying to get some of those prospects back. That's it. Cheapness is certainly also involved, they're simply gambling Halladay is enough this year to get them back to the World Series. The postseason is a crap shoot anyway. They had zero chance to sign Lee. Evidently Lee wants Sabathia money. I'm not sure who will give him that. Lee was the big winner. He has a much better chance to put up good numbers with Seattle as his home park rather than Philly despite the presence of a DH. I can honestly see both sides to should the Phillies have traded Lee argument. Sometimes being cheap can work.

Dont believe that crap that they are feeding everyone about those propects. There is no valid theory that I know of that says Lee being traded helps them win the WS this year. If they got back a blue chip guy and Amaro said I couldnt pass on him, I could see it. But they got 3 question marks.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Did I hear correctly? Lee said the Phils told him to not believe the rumors. Then, 24 hours later, Reuben called him, and told him he was traded?

[declansharbor]

As mentioned, the Polanco for Feliz swap at third is an offensively upgrade only. Feliz was a friggn wall at the hot corner last year, I can't imagine Placido making those plays at the same %...What it does do though, is it puts a runner on base more often which generates even more runs, sometimes disguising the hole(s) at the back end of the rotation.


As for the Halladay/Lee move, it was a matter of timing. Personally, I think Amaro jumped the gun a bit here. I would've waited, chanced it and let Lee increase/decrease his value during this upcoming year. Amaro tried to sweep it all under the rug in one big fell swoop. There's no way they could spin it to the fans if they were leading the division mid-season and traded Lee for minor league prospects, only to get beat in the postseason by a team that shells the roto. The brass pulled the Lee trade out at the only time that it could be semi-justified, the day they land a top 2 arm in the league like Halladay. It would be tough for them to showcase a lineup of Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Happ, Hole, only to dismantle it around the deadline. They didnt want us fans to think that it was possible to have such a potent team.

Whether it was cheap, or to 'restock the farm', I'm not a huge advocate of the deal. Not at this present moment. It was a slight move upwards, but the hole at the end remains. I wouldn't count on the bullpen too much next year. I guess they are attempting to generate more runs to dim the glare-ski.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont believe that crap that they are feeding everyone about those propects. There is no valid theory that I know of that says Lee being traded helps them win the WS this year. If they got back a blue chip guy and Amaro said I couldnt pass on him, I could see it. But they got 3 question marks.

Well, evidently that is the market value for Lee. The Indians got crap for him, and the Mariners didn't give away any top ones either to get him. For as good as he's pitched the last two years, he's not fetching much in the way of prospects. They got 3 question marks back for the 4 they gave up to get him. I don't know how organizations operate with regards to their minor league systems.

There is no valid theory on that trading Lee would help them win the World Series. However, baseball is strange. By what theory, after 2008 could you have said Hamels would have a sub par year and Lidge would absolutely stink in 2009 and the Phillies would still make it back to the World Series?? I simply look at my Cleveland Indians. All the good years Lee had with them, they never made the playoffs in any of them. The year Lee stunk to high heaven and couldn't even make the post season roster, they had a 3-1 lead in the ALCS

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, evidently that is the market value for Lee. The Indians got crap for him, and the Mariners didn't give away any top ones either to get him. For as good as he's pitched the last two years, he's not fetching much in the way of prospects. They got 3 question marks back for the 4 they gave up to get him. I don't know how organizations operate with regards to their minor league systems.

There is no valid theory on that trading Lee would help them win the World Series. However, baseball is strange. By what theory, after 2008 could you have said Hamels would have a sub par year and Lidge would absolutely stink in 2009 and the Phillies would still make it back to the World Series?? I simply look at my Cleveland Indians. All the good years Lee had with them, they never made the playoffs in any of them. The year Lee stunk to high heaven and couldn't even make the post season roster, they had a 3-1 lead in the ALCS

The theory that pitchers are fragile and you can never have too many of them