Horsey All Decade Team

Indian Charlie · #1 12-10-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I think I would have him in the top 4, but I am especially surprised to see YOU give the nod to Street Sense over Vindication given your often-stated low opinion of Street Sense.
His races at AP as a 2yo were fairly unimpressive, and though he ran a very good race in a 3rd place effort at Keeneland on a surface he never liked, his CD race was the only truly superb effort of his season in my opinion.
I'd take Vindication's four races as a 2yo over Street Sense's four races.

Good list though DrugS. It makes for some good conversation.

If you had to ask him who the most overrated horse of the last 15 years is, and you forced him into giving an answer, he'd almost certainly tell you Vindication.

He was the president of the anti Vindy fan club. He disliked that horse like PG1985 loves Giant's Causeway. It was almost pathological.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 12-11-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

If you had to ask him who the most overrated horse of the last 15 years is, and you forced him into giving an answer, he'd almost certainly tell you Vindication.

He was the president of the anti Vindy fan club. He disliked that horse like PG1985 loves Giant's Causeway. It was almost pathological.

At that time ... there were a lot of silly people talking about Vindication like he was an all-time great horse.

I was one of the people who thought Toccet was slightly more deserving of the Eclipse ... but I knew he wasn't getting it .. as an extreme emphasis is placed on the BC Juvie result.

miraja2 · #3 12-11-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

At that time ... there were a lot of silly people talking about Vindication like he was an all-time great horse.

I was one of the people who thought Toccet was slightly more deserving of the Eclipse ... but I knew he wasn't getting it .. as an extreme emphasis is placed on the BC Juvie result.

Aren't you guilty of putting an "extreme emphasis" on the BC Juvie by including Street Sense in the top four?
Good point about Toccet. He was a very good 2yo. I would probably put him above Street Sense as well.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 12-11-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Aren't YOU putting an "extreme emphasis" on the BC Juvie by including Street Sense in the top four?

I think its the way he won and what was behind him.

ateamstupid · #5 12-11-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think its the way he won and what was behind him.

What was behind him? Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Scat Daddy, Stormello, C P West, U D Ghetto, King of the Roxy, Skip Code, Teuflesberg, Pegasus Wind, Malt Magic, Got the Last Laugh and Principle Secret?

Real murderers' row right there..

NTamm1215 · #6 12-11-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What was behind him? Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Scat Daddy, Stormello, C P West, U D Ghetto, King of the Roxy, Skip Code, Teuflesberg, Pegasus Wind, Malt Magic, Got the Last Laugh and Principle Secret?

Real murderers' row right there..

I was just going to post that, I know at least three of those horses have started for a tag since that race.

The best of that crop was not in the field. I should stop though because I am a noted SS hater.

NT

miraja2 · #7 12-11-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What was behind him? Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Scat Daddy, Stormello, C P West, U D Ghetto, King of the Roxy, Skip Code, Teuflesberg, Pegasus Wind, Malt Magic, Got the Last Laugh and Principle Secret?

Real murderers' row right there..

I basically agree with your point, but Circular Quay was a pretty good 2yo (not to mention the key horse for most of my big horizontal and vertical wagers that day at CD

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ateamstupid · #8 12-11-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I basically agree with your point, but Circular Quay was a pretty good 2yo (not to mention the key horse for most of my big horizontal and vertical wagers that day at CD

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I was a big fan of his, and was extremely disappointed with his three and four-year-old seasons. If they had kept him around one turn I think he might've turned out to be more than he was.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 12-11-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I basically agree with your point, but Circular Quay was a pretty good 2yo (not to mention the key horse for most of my big horizontal and vertical wagers that day at CD

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Im talking only 2 yr olds not moving forward, and they were all ok at 2.

GPK · #10 12-11-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I basically agree with your point, but Circular Quay was a pretty good 2yo (not to mention the key horse for most of my big horizontal and vertical wagers that day at CD

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I remember being at Colonial Downs Handicapping Contest with Randall and watching him (Bashford Manor Stakes maybe?) and we both thought there was no way in hell he was gonna get up to win. Rand turned to me afterwards and immediatly declared him the Hopeful winner.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 12-11-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What was behind him? Circular Quay, Great Hunter, Scat Daddy, Stormello, C P West, U D Ghetto, King of the Roxy, Skip Code, Teuflesberg, Pegasus Wind, Malt Magic, Got the Last Laugh and Principle Secret?

Real murderers' row right there..

Tons better then Big Browns Crop.

ateamstupid · #12 12-11-2009, 11:36 AM

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Tons better then Big Browns Crop.

Yeah that's relevant.

miraja2 · #13 12-11-2009, 11:39 AM

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Tons better then Big Browns Crop.

Ummm.....okay. They are also MUCH better than the $4k claimers running in the first at Hawthorne today.....but so what?

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 12-11-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Aren't you guilty of putting an "extreme emphasis" on the BC Juvie by including Street Sense in the top four?
Good point about Toccet. He was a very good 2yo. I would probably put him above Street Sense as well.

Yes - but Street Sense's Juvie win was gigantic ... and maybe he got the 4th spot because I didn't want it to appear like I had some personal bias against him. Which I don't.

RolloTomasi · #15 12-11-2009, 11:08 AM

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He was the president of the anti Vindy fan club. He disliked that horse like PG1985 loves Giant's Causeway. It was almost pathological.

...said the Pot.

Indian Charlie · #16 12-11-2009, 11:58 AM

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...said the Pot.

Nah, I didn't hate Vindy. I just thought there was a whole lot more hype to him than substance.

RolloTomasi · #17 12-11-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Nah, I didn't hate Vindy. I just thought there was a whole lot more hype to him than substance.

Well, he was sired by Seattle Slew, so perhaps he suffered from wobbler syndrome.

Indian Charlie · #18 12-11-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Well, he was sired by Seattle Slew, so perhaps he suffered from wobbler syndrome.

Ha. Good one!

I did see IC at Vinery in 2000 though, when he was a five year old.

He was pretty much the only stallion left at the farm, as most of the others had gone south for the winter breeding season. When I asked why he didn't ship, they let me see him and he looked like he was a dying horse. They weren't too sure he was going to survive.

I doubt Slew becoming a wobbler in his old age had an effect on Vindication, but who knows, maybe you are right!

He probably really was one of the all time great 2yos.