NYRA latest to add anti-slaughter policy

[chucklestheclown]

Directly or indirectly? That is way too vague.

[reese]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Directly or indirectly? That is way too vague.

Vague only to you

It is perfectly clear to anyone who can comprehend the written word.

[GBBob]

This is what a horse's retirement SHOULD look like and if Owners and Trainers can't make the financial commitment or spend the time to provide for or guarantee their well being, then they shouldn't be in the game.

Thnx to Ryan for posting in Dee Tee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh4gg85hRs

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

This is what a horse's retirement SHOULD look like and if Owners and Trainers can't make the financial commitment or spend the time to provide for or guarantee their well being, then they shouldn't be in the game.

Thnx to Ryan for posting in Dee Tee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh4gg85hRs

[freddymo]

Great news..

[richard]

Super.

[Linny]

Chuckles is right. If a trainer gives away or sells a horse very cheap to someone who they believe is going to retrain it and it ends up at a killer auction or feedlot, is he to blame?

Many small outfits do take horses for retraining but they are not rescues they are businesses hoping to sell for a profit. They are usually small farms and don't have the ability to provide a permanent home. If a sore horse doesn't come sound enough to go into work or a horse proves unfit for retraining, they have to get rid of them. They don't really want to send them "away" but most don't have the choice, they cannot care for them all.

Using terms like "undirectly" is very vaque when you announce a "zero tolerance" policy. How many degrees of separation is required before a trainer is absolved of responsibility?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by reese

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Vague only to you

It is perfectly clear to anyone who can comprehend the written word.

C'mon, he's talking about the guys who represent themselves to the trainer or friend of the trainer as having a kid who needs a backyard horse, etc., but are really bunchers for auction/killers. These guys know most don't want the horses to go to killers, they lie and know what to say if they need horses.

Good for NYRA.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, he's talking about the guys who represent themselves to the trainer or friend of the trainer as having a kid who needs a backyard horse, etc., but are really bunchers for auction/killers. These guys know most don't want the horses to go to killers, they lie and know what to say if they need horses.

Good for NYRA.

You can have due diligence though and if someone goes to a certain point to lie to you, well there are repercussions. Just letting someone you haven't checked up one side and down the other leave with a horse is not something I'm comfortable with. Also maybe people will knock it off with the 'free to a good home' thing. As a kid I'd eat up the idea of going and getting a free horse. My parents of course knew better. If you can't afford to pay for a horse, you definitely can't afford to own them. What about that woman that hauled the 12yo mare planning to race her who started bawling in the paddock or whatever saying she couldn't afford to bring her and not run her...I don't see why the former owner let her have the horse when she'd just been laid off. How was she gonna pay the upkeep?

Kill buyers will only pay so much right? I get that some trainers almost feel like they're gonna have to pay someone to take the horse off their hands, but I'm sorry we owe'em a duty. Charge a little something and if you can do all the other work to get and race a horse, some research is in order to let one go to someone else.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

You can have due diligence though and if someone goes to a certain point to lie to you, well there are repercussions. Just letting someone you haven't checked up one side and down the other leave with a horse is not something I'm comfortable with.

I completely agree.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Riot

C'mon, he's talking about the guys who represent themselves to the trainer or friend of the trainer as having a kid who needs a backyard horse, etc., but are really bunchers for auction/killers. These guys know most don't want the horses to go to killers, they lie and know what to say if they need horses.

Good for NYRA.

What's a "buncher"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

What's a "buncher"

A middleman. He goes auction to auction, place to place, collecting ("bunching") horses in a group to send in a trailer to slaughter.

This is the guy that won't pay over $400-$500 per head, and never for a skinny horse, at local Amish - county livestock auctions. He'll buy obviously lame horses, horses with sores, etc.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

A middleman. He goes auction to auction, place to place, collecting ("bunching") horses in a group to send in a trailer to slaughter.

This is the guy that won't pay over $400-$500 per head, and never for a skinny horse, at local Amish - county livestock auctions. He'll buy obviously lame horses, horses with sores, etc.

How much does it cost to put a horse down?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How much does it cost to put a horse down?

Here (mixed practice, rural around Lexington) farm call, euthanasia $110-$140. Then you use your own backhoe or get the renderer to come out.

I don't know what racetrack vets charge - Chuck?

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Riot

A middleman. He goes auction to auction, place to place, collecting ("bunching") horses in a group to send in a trailer to slaughter.

This is the guy that won't pay over $400-$500 per head, and never for a skinny horse, at local Amish - county livestock auctions. He'll buy obviously lame horses, horses with sores, etc.

Okay.I take it they like to buy Draft horses{more per pound}?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Okay.I take it they like to buy Draft horses{more per pound}?

Yup. It's why Keeneland minimum bid is $1000. Slaughter buyers won't pay that.