Yankee Bravo

Cannon Shell · #1 12-09-2009, 12:56 PM

Yankee Bravo wouldnt be a terrible claim if you had some idea about his current physical condition. His trainer seemingly has run out of ideas after blinks on then off then on again and different surface switches. The first thing I would do is geld him and give him 45 days off. Then try a dirt surface. At least he had quite a bit of talent at one time.

The claim in that race if you gave me the 50k would be Usurp. I would immediately ship him out of CA to Philly/NY inner where his natural speed is a plus and wont be used against him.

NTamm1215 · #2 12-09-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yankee Bravo wouldnt be a terrible claim if you had some idea about his current physical condition. His trainer seemingly has run out of ideas after blinks on then off then on again and different surface switches. The first thing I would do is geld him and give him 45 days off. Then try a dirt surface. At least he had quite a bit of talent at one time.

The claim in that race if you gave me the 50k would be Usurp. I would immediately ship him out of CA to Philly/NY inner where his natural speed is a plus and wont be used against him.

That was my point as it seemed like his Fairplex effort would sort of portend dirt ability. He is a half to Sly, who's not a very good horse by any stretch but has been an effective turf sprinter. Thus, if you brought him to a place like NY and ran him on the inner for the winter then looked at the turf sprints in the spring and summer you could get the money back.

It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

NT

hockey2315 · #3 12-09-2009, 01:05 PM

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It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

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SCUDSBROTHER · #4 12-09-2009, 02:02 PM

Who is Yankee Bravo?

This is Yankee Pssy. Been that way a long time. Good luck waking this bent lil btch up. Let him continue to be Lucifer's helper.

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 12-09-2009, 05:45 PM

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Who is Yankee Bravo?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20799

Ring a bell?

docicu3 · #6 12-09-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20799

Ring a bell?

Hey Drugs what's your best guess as to why Rosario got the day off today?

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 12-09-2009, 05:58 PM

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Hey Drugs what's your best guess as to why Rosario got the day off today?

As of today ... I think Vic S. is still Rosario's agent.. he might be a little better suited to answer that question.

SCUDSBROTHER · #8 12-09-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20799

Ring a bell?

You must orgasm on the wall each time they lead him out there to run poorly. O.K....Write about him. I 'm not gunna fight about every horse that goes sour on someone.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 12-09-2009, 06:02 PM

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You must orgasm on the wall each time they lead him out there to run poorly. O.K....Write about him. I 'm not gunna fight about every horse that goes sour on someone.

That would be down at about my #34,529th best reason to orgasm on a wall.

Horses go sour all the time ... that type of stuff happens. However, Yankee Bravo basically went from being a very sucky slowpoke you thought was a live Derby horse .. to now being a sour sucky slowpoke.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 12-09-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20799

Ring a bell?

Has it been a month?

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 12-09-2009, 06:19 PM

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Has it been a month?

I'm not sure Joey ... it's been a while.

RolloTomasi · #12 12-09-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That was my point as it seemed like his Fairplex effort would sort of portend dirt ability. He is a half to Sly, who's not a very good horse by any stretch but has been an effective turf sprinter. Thus, if you brought him to a place like NY and ran him on the inner for the winter then looked at the turf sprints in the spring and summer you could get the money back.

It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

NT

Usurp has faced some decent horses throughout his career but note that he had a 6 month layoff from 2 to 3 followed by an 11th month layoff after a handful of starts at 3.

While he hasn't missed much time this year (aside from a 2 month break after his comeback win), there are red flags starting to pop up. First, Ron Ellis is quoted as saying he came out of his work prior to the Pomona race "a little funky". In that race he got out horribly going into the first turn and finished up the race short strided (whereas he usually fought gamely--even when losing--in prior starts). Either he was hurting, didn't particularly care for dirt, or both.

In his last 2, he has not shown his customary :44+ speed and has finished off the board. Given that he finished in the exacta in 7 of his first 9 starts while racing on the front end, this doesn't bode well.

In addition to dropping down a level today, he also does not have a recorded breeze since his last race.

If he is able to hold up for a few more races, it would be interesting to see how he handles two turns, given his pedigree (his 2nd dam is a Grade 1 winner BTW).

Cannon Shell · #13 12-09-2009, 03:07 PM

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Usurp has faced some decent horses throughout his career but note that he had a 6 month layoff from 2 to 3 followed by an 11th month layoff after a handful of starts at 3.

While he hasn't missed much time this year (aside from a 2 month break after his comeback win), there are red flags starting to pop up. First, Ron Ellis is quoted as saying he came out of his work prior to the Pomona race "a little funky". In that race he got out horribly going into the first turn and finished up the race short strided (whereas he usually fought gamely--even when losing--in prior starts). Either he was hurting, didn't particularly care for dirt, or both.

In his last 2, he has not shown his customary :44+ speed and has finished off the board. Given that he finished in the exacta in 7 of his first 9 starts while racing on the front end, this doesn't bode well.

In addition to dropping down a level today, he also does not have a recorded breeze since his last race.

If he is able to hold up for a few more races, it would be interesting to see how he handles two turns, given his pedigree (his 2nd dam is a Grade 1 winner BTW).

Hey its risky but horses with issues are the ones that can turn out to be the most profitable or on the other hand the biggest disasters. If there is nothing to fix they usually wind up deteriorating in form anyway.

Duvalier · #14 12-09-2009, 03:15 PM

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Hey its risky but horses with issues are the ones that can turn out to be the most profitable or on the other hand the biggest disasters. If there is nothing to fix they usually wind up deteriorating in form anyway.

Just curious Chuck...what issues are you able to deal with and which ones end up being nothing but a money pit? For example...joints, breathing problems etc.

Cannon Shell · #15 12-09-2009, 03:26 PM

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Just curious Chuck...what issues are you able to deal with and which ones end up being nothing but a money pit? For example...joints, breathing problems etc.

Sometimes it isnt the specific issue but the degree of severity, especially with breathing issues. Tendons can be really bad. Sometimes all a horse needs is a little rest before a bunch of small things that are bothering them and affecting performance become big things. Not all owners can afford or are patient enough to give a lot of time off to a claimer.

SCUDSBROTHER · #16 12-09-2009, 03:51 PM

I think Y.B. got hurt in the final 16th of the Louisiana Derby. He never gave up ground to anyone before that, and he has been giving up ground ever since. What is the other view? After he got beat, his attitude changed? If they thought that, then why wouldn't they've gelded him by now?

RolloTomasi · #17 12-09-2009, 04:06 PM

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Hey its risky but horses with issues are the ones that can turn out to be the most profitable or on the other hand the biggest disasters. If there is nothing to fix they usually wind up deteriorating in form anyway.

Yep, but this specific horse seems to be going the wrong way quickly, when just last May (6f in 1:08+ for the 3rd time in his career) he seemed a stakes calibur horse. From a handicapping (and jaded) point of view, I wouldn't be looking for this horse to turn it around unless Mike Mitchell or John Sadler happens to claim him.

I'm sure Spirit Of Cochise has issues, too, but he is in good form at the moment at least, having won his last start.

SCUDSBROTHER · #18 12-09-2009, 04:23 PM

If someone claims Y.B., my first guess is it's O'neill. That guy must stop for a thrift shop.

Scav · #19 12-09-2009, 05:41 PM

If you wait about two month, Yankee Bravo will be at Golden Gate running for 10nw6m