Tampa Downs lowering takeout, minimums on exotics

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Tampa might understand takeout, but they are complete morons for changing their schedule around and not running on Tuesdays, going up against NY and Gulfstream day in and day out is going to hurt their bottom line

I haven't crunched the numbers but sometimes two slices of a 20" pizza is better than a whole personal 8". I went with a pizza analogy with you being Mr. Chicago now.

My point being that there are so few simulcast dollars in play on Tuesdays.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Its nice they lowered them but man those are some really high take rates compared to other circuits...isnt socal 16% WPS and 20% exotics? I think Ky may be lower than that.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its nice they lowered them but man those are some really high take rates compared to other circuits...isnt socal 16% WPS and 20% exotics? I think Ky may be lower than that.

17.5% WPS may be a tad high, but it's far from 'really high'. Gulfstream and Fair Grounds are both 17%, while Turfway is 17.5% as well. Calder is 18%.

Meanwhile, 19% on horizontals is vastly better than anything else running this winter. The only tracks that even come close are GP at 20% and HOL/SA at 20 and change.

[golfer]

If the racing weren't so cheap (most of the time) and the jockey colony so horrifying (all the time), this might be one of the top tracks in the country.

[SlewsMyHero]

Originally Posted by golfer

If the racing weren't so cheap (most of the time) and the jockey colony so horrifying (all the time), this might be one of the top tracks in the country.

Other than Saratog/Belmont, Keeneland/Churchill and So. California, what track doesn't run "cheap" races? Even So. Cal is running some pretty cheap races these days. I like the Tampa product. Aren't full, competitive fields what every horseplayer wants?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by SlewsMyHero

Other than Saratog/Belmont, Keeneland/Churchill and So. California, what track doesn't run "cheap" races? Even So. Cal is running some pretty cheap races these days. I like the Tampa product. Aren't full, competitive fields what every horseplayer wants?

Which is why I tend to focus my wagering on NY/KY/Gulfstream. I do plan on following the Tampa meet more closely this year than in previous years, but I have found these full, competitive fields of cheap horses to be very unpredictable. Which is certainly the nature of the cheaper claiming races everywhere.

There is no defending the quality of the jockey colony.

[GPK]

Great news all around, especially .50 cent pick 4.

Other than the turf races at Gulfstream, TBD is the only winter racing that really exists for me...unless you exclude Derby Hall

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GPK

Great news all around, especially .50 cent pick 4.

Other than the turf races at Gulfstream, TBD is the only winter racing that really exists for me...unless you exclude Derby Hall

Derby Lane

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Derby Lane

We went there too?!? Wow, that was a long day

[joeydb]

I'll be playing Tampa Bay for sure. I like the initiative they're taking with lower takeouts, and I want to reward them and inspire other tracks to follow suit.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by GPK

Great news all around, especially .50 cent pick 4.

Other than the turf races at Gulfstream, TBD is the only winter racing that really exists for me...unless you exclude Derby Hall

aside from your little bundle of joy this year, this has gotta be in the top 5greatest things to happen to kev in 2009


as far as capping gulfstream turf last year, it was impossible for me. If you got to the front you were a winner, you had the lead at the top of the lane you had a good shot to win. Closers were a complete toss for me by years end

-bt-

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by golfer

Which is why I tend to focus my wagering on NY/KY/Gulfstream. I do plan on following the Tampa meet more closely this year than in previous years, but I have found these full, competitive fields of cheap horses to be very unpredictable. Which is certainly the nature of the cheaper claiming races everywhere.

There is no defending the quality of the jockey colony.

The jockey colony is awful, but knowing their strengths and weeknesses can give you a huge edge.

There are very few jocks there that can time a two turn race properly. Unless they are on a loose frontrunner, they can't win.

As a horseplayer, you do have to live with some pretty horrible rides from time to time, but you take notes and hope that horse comes back with a better jock next time.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The jockey colony is awful, but knowing their strengths and weeknesses can give you a huge edge.

There are very few jocks there that can time a two turn race properly. Unless they are on a loose frontrunner, they can't win.

As a horseplayer, you do have to live with some pretty horrible rides from time to time, but you take notes and hope that horse comes back with a better jock next time.

Great point, but that's a lot of work Seriously, that's why I will try to follow the meet more closely this year. And making a trip or 3 out there live won't hurt either.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The jockey colony is awful, but knowing their strengths and weeknesses can give you a huge edge.

There are very few jocks there that can time a two turn race properly. Unless they are on a loose frontrunner, they can't win.

As a horseplayer, you do have to live with some pretty horrible rides from time to time, but you take notes and hope that horse comes back with a better jock next time.

c faine...

[Duvalier]

Any new trainers planning on wintering at Tampa this year or is it going to be the usual suspects?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I haven't crunched the numbers but sometimes two slices of a 20" pizza is better than a whole personal 8". I went with a pizza analogy with you being Mr. Chicago now.

My point being that there are so few simulcast dollars in play on Tuesdays.

NT

I don't have any numbers to go on (just my horrible memory), but I recall TBD raving about their Tuesday handle when they started running regularly on Tuesdays 7 or 8 years ago. They actually ran a Stake on Tuesday (moved from a Saturday) one year that had the weekend warriors howling because they couldn't see it.

Perhaps those great Tuesday numbers slipped the past few years...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I don't have any numbers to go on (just my horrible memory), but I recall TBD raving about their Tuesday handle when they started running regularly on Tuesdays 7 or 8 years ago. They actually ran a Stake on Tuesday (moved from a Saturday) one year that had the weekend warriors howling because they couldn't see it.

Perhaps those great Tuesday numbers slipped the past few years...

NYC OTB was a big factor, dont know how or if that has changed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

NYC OTB was a big factor, dont know how or if that has changed.

yonkers simulcast is closed on tues afternoon's

[Travis Stone]

The Tuesday switch made a lot of sense for them. Tampa does a great job of managing its product on a day-to-day basis when up against the big guns. They find the right spots to run and often have a compelling race to offer.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The Tuesday switch made a lot of sense for them. Tampa does a great job of managing its product on a day-to-day basis when up against the big guns. They find the right spots to run and often have a compelling race to offer.

I love betting Tampa although with the new wiz kid Jaime P Ness it has lost a bit of its charm.. The opt allowance grass race is at 1 1/16th is my fav race to bet till Belmont opens