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Old 09-21-2006, 09:43 AM
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:44 AM
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:45 AM
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That was '89! (I agree though, he rocked!)
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:47 AM
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That was '89! (I agree though, he rocked!)
sorry spaced on that one...90's--skip away (evem though he was a better older horsethan a three year old)
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:52 AM
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sorry spaced on that one...90's--skip away (evem though he was a better older horsethan a three year old)

I liked him too. He would be in my top 5 of the 90s.
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:00 AM
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More fun would be best 3 Year Old Season Ever:

Man O' War (undefeated and beat the Triple Crown winner in a match race)
Citation (15 in a row, sweeps the Triple Crown and wins at distances from 6 furlongs to 2 miles in the JCGC)
Secretariat (he lost the Wood and the Whitney remember)
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:03 AM
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Most overated horse in the history of the game. Best PR campaign in the history of the game.

You'd be amazed at the people that bought into those fairy tales after every loss (5 in all).

That is one horse I really wished would have kept on racing. Nice job by Penny with IRS BS.
As u know, I agree with u to an extent. Now most people will say I'm knocking Sec and that's not true. I do believe that he was one of the all-time greats just nowhere near the best ever. Probably not even top 10. I think it's just mostly mystique nowdays that make people want to list him in their top two or three ever. That Belmont race was a freak effort. He was NOT a 2:24 horse. Look at his Woodward and the turf race to get a better idea of how he was at 12f. Still good but not otherwordly. And just imagine if there had been a horse in the Belmont capable of going in 2:27. Then Sec's margin of victory would have been "only" 15. While still dominant, the perception wouldn't be the way it is today because it was 31 lengths. And who knows what he would have done as a 4yo? It's not a guarantee that they automatically improve. The way he ran as a 3yo could suggest that he was already at his peak. If u are going to say he would have improved, would we then have expected 1:57 10f races, 2:23 12f races, or 1:31 miles? Doubtful. And I think it's a mistake to overlook the fact that he lost two of three races when facing older horses on dirt and although he did run 1:45 2/5 in the Marlboro, remember it's Belmont and one-turn and good horses run fast times there. I have seen Go for Wand and Dispersal run 1:45 4/5 there. Secretariat was great. There is no doubt about that. But still overrated.
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:36 AM
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Most overated horse in the history of the game. Best PR campaign in the history of the game.

You'd be amazed at the people that bought into those fairy tales after every loss (5 in all).

That is one horse I really wished would have kept on racing. Nice job by Penny with IRS BS.
Boss-

Once again, your uncanny knack for horses will dumbfound and confuse these MORONS.

They have no idea like you do that Big Red was on Roids. You have firsthand knowledge that Victor Conte's grandpa was sending the "clear" and the "cream" to Penny and the gang when Barry Bonds was still in diapers. Heck, "red beans" were named in honor of the big horse.

The time in the belmont that still stands today? Mirage!

Derby record that still stands today? Mirage as well!

Unofficial preakness record? Phony!

Marlboro cup? bad day by all the other horses!

Yes, just a great media campaign for an overrated horse.
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1. Lammtarra
2. Go for Wand
3. Smarty Jones
4. Giant's Causeway
5. Rock of Gibraltar
6. Bernardini
7. Holy Bull
8. Point Given
9. Thunder Gulch
10. Serena's Song

Note-I think that Arazi would have been on this list with proper handling because he had the talent but unfortunately, never got to show his best. To make the list, u have to have talent PLUS accomplishments. Lion Heart was also very nearly on this list. Had he not gotten hurt, he would have won the Travers and that, along with the Haskell win, would have been enough to make it.
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:48 AM
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Looking at only the 3 Year Old Season:

Holy Bull
A.P Indy
Point Given
Thunder Gulch
Serena's Song
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:31 AM
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Looking at only the 3 Year Old Season:

Holy Bull
A.P Indy
Point Given
Thunder Gulch
Serena's Song
I like that list, but I would throw Go For Wand and the Rock of Gibralter in there as well...loved the Rock of Gibralter...also liked Tiznow

I wish that we could have seen more from Afleet Alex, Smarty Jones, and Charismatic...

Bernardini may be on the top of that list for me by the end of the year...
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:50 AM
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A.P. Indy, Holy Bull, Bernardini
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:58 AM
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I like that list, but I would throw Go For Wand and the Rock of Gibralter in there as well...loved the Rock of Gibralter...also liked Tiznow

I wish that we could have seen more from Afleet Alex, Smarty Jones, and Charismatic...

Bernardini may be on the top of that list for me by the end of the year...
Glad you liked the list. I just tried to keep it to 5. There are many other worthy names.
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Holy Bull. Then Smarty for me.
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My fave too (in the 80's.)
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:10 AM
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He wasn't even the best 3YO of 1989.

I'd have to say since 1990, the top 3YOs would be Point Given, Unbridled and Silver Charm.
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:28 AM
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He wasn't even the best 3YO of 1989.

I'd have to say since 1990, the top 3YOs would be Point Given, Unbridled and Silver Charm.
I agree with that first part. Sunday Silence beat him in the Derby, Preakness, and BCC, so I'll take him any day of the week over Easy Goer...
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:30 AM
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I agree with that first part. Sunday Silence beat him in the Derby, Preakness, and BCC, so I'll take him any day of the week over Easy Goer...
IMO, Easy Goer had more talent than Sunday Silence. Whether he utilized it or not was another story...
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Since 1990, lets see:
Tiznow
Dubai Millennium
Point Given
Skip Away
Smarty Jones
Lammtarra
Holy Bull
Elusive Pimpernel
Sinndar
Giants Causeway
Cigar has to be mentioned as he fits time frame
Barbaro...not sure where I'd rank him yet
Bernardini...ibid above
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