No Munnings for the Cigar

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm not sure this locks things up for Kodiak Kowboy over Zensational even though I think KK is a superior horse who has faced much better competition this year. They each have three grade 1 wins and all of Zensational's are at actual sprint distances.

The difference is that Kodiak Kowboy actually beat other Grade 1 horses when he won his Grade 1s.

Zensational beat Global Hunter (who won a Grade 1 going 9f on turf) and, I kid you not, two horses that ran for $25k in the previous year (Nikkisgoldensteed, Rush With Thunder).

Not sure if Talkin To Mom Roo is an ex-claimer, but the name sort of suggests it.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The difference is that Kodiak Kowboy actually beat other Grade 1 horses when he won his Grade 1s.

Zensational beat Global Hunter (who won a Grade 1 going 9f on turf) and, I kid you not, two horses that ran for $25k in the previous year (Nikkisgoldensteed, Rush With Thunder).

Not sure if Talkin To Mom Roo is an ex-claimer, but the name sort of suggests it.

Can you read?

I said exactly what you said in fewer words.

I think Zensational is a totally overrated bum, but to think Kodiak Kowboy is a lock to win the Eclipse now is wishful thinking.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Can you read?

I said exactly what you said in fewer words.

I think Zensational is a totally overrated bum, but to think Kodiak Kowboy is a lock to win the Eclipse now is wishful thinking.

And the point of mine was to elaborate on the "better competition".

In fact, the difference in competition was staggering (not merely "better") and by that allow should make Kodiak Kowboy the clear frontrunner.

But hey, maybe they'll change the name of the Ancient Title to the Zensational to sway the vote.

[Gander]

Zensational may get 1 or 2 trivial votes but I dont think you can build any kind of reasonable case for any more than that. He won the most watered down Grade 1 sprints in the history of this division, with Talkin to Mom Roo probably the best horse he beat. He never left the state of CA and the poly surface. I think you can build a better case for the horse who beat him in the BC Sprint- Dancing in Silks. At least he beat Gayego and Fatal Bullet on their preferred surface and distance, and racked up a couple of other wins. Next would be Informed Decision who I would guess will get a few votes just for overall consistency and sheer number of wins. But she never faced the males and flopped badly in her race at Saratoga.

The obvious winner should and will be Kodiak Kowboy who has 3 Grade Ones against superior competition, at 3 different distances. When was the last time we've seen a horse win a Grade 1 at 6F, 7F and 1 mile? Not to mention a good 2nd in another Grade 1 (Forego), and 1 other win. Lets see he beat:

Fabulous Strike (twice)
Bribon
Munnings
Vineyard Haven
Pyro
Tale of Ekati

All of these horses have won at least one Grade 1 except Munnings. All much better than any of the horses any of the other contenders have beaten.