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Old 11-26-2009, 11:40 AM
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The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.
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Are you saying that Kiaran is one of those "well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers"? We are talking about a very small amount that may, at that amount, have a negliable effect on performance. Plus, as long as we have a sport governed by multiple entities with varying rules and regulations I think a mistake or misjudgement is bound to happen. There are many states that can run on that substance at that level without any problem. Why doesn't everybody just take a breath and wait on the split sample. It is too bad that the tests have yet to be confirmed and Ray came out with this.
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FYI... McLaughlin starts a 30 day suspension today..
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:21 AM
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FYI... McLaughlin starts a 30 day suspension today..
Did you really eliminate or pull my last post on this thread regarding the apparent conflict between your praise of some of these very same trainers on your radio show for "a job well done" and your statements here?
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Did you really eliminate or pull my last post on this thread regarding the apparent conflict between your praise of some of these very same trainers on your radio show for "a job well done" and your statements here?
I think your post got swept up in a bigger mess that he got rid of
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:30 AM
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I think your post got swept up in a bigger mess that he got rid of
Thanks for letting me know. I didn't check in later to see what happened. There is a good article at
http://horseracing.bloginky.com/
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:36 AM
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Did you really eliminate or pull my last post on this thread regarding the apparent conflict between your praise of some of these very same trainers on your radio show for "a job well done" and your statements here?
Remarkable... Do you think your posts are the only ones that appear on this entire forum? There were some nasty exchanges from overnight that served no purpose and that I'm sure the parties involved wouldn't want left up... And upon further review, I then decided to clear the slate entirely from yesterday.

And there's no conflict with how I handle interviews. I expect that trainers are operating on the up and up until shown otherwise...
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:46 AM
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Remarkable... Do you think your posts are the only ones that appear on this entire forum? There were some nasty exchanges from overnight that served no purpose and that I'm sure the parties involved wouldn't want left up... And upon further review, I then decided to clear the slate entirely from yesterday.

And there's no conflict with how I handle interviews. I expect that trainers are operating on the up and up until shown otherwise...
I always miss out on the fun.....
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:48 AM
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Can you pm me those deleted posts? Thanks.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:54 AM
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I always miss out on the fun.....
It was second tier stuff..move along sir
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:10 AM
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Remarkable... Do you think your posts are the only ones that appear on this entire forum? There were some nasty exchanges from overnight that served no purpose and that I'm sure the parties involved wouldn't want left up... And upon further review, I then decided to clear the slate entirely from yesterday.

And there's no conflict with how I handle interviews. I expect that trainers are operating on the up and up until shown otherwise...

I only say things which are positive.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:27 PM
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Remarkable... Do you think your posts are the only ones that appear on this entire forum? There were some nasty exchanges from overnight that served no purpose and that I'm sure the parties involved wouldn't want left up... And upon further review, I then decided to clear the slate entirely from yesterday.

And there's no conflict with how I handle interviews. I expect that trainers are operating on the up and up until shown otherwise...
No I don't think my posts were the only ones that appear here. I think I made it clear that I didn't know of any other exchanges last evening. I think my question regarding its removal is quite understandable. What is remarkable is how quick you are to jump to whatever idea serves you at that moment.

I have no demi-gods. I am just questioning your judgemental views in light of your very gracious interviewing style where you heep praise on Kiaran and some of the people you have mentioned on this thread. To make some of the statements you have on this thread and then turn around and praise them for work that you denigrate here IS a conflict.

And finally, your comment that you expect trainers are operating on the up and up appears to presume an open-mindedness that is not refective on many of your comments here on this subject. McLaughlin is not a villain. I doubt he is even a cheater. To pile on him and lump him in with others that you have had on your show is unfortunate. A mistake was made and he is handling it with the class that he is known for. Class that many might do well to learn from. I know, another "remarkable" post here. But I assure you, my last one on this subject.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:02 PM
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"[u]ntil shown otherwise" indicates reading or seeing a published account of a positive result, an account that is known to the general public, of which you are a part. Until that point, you "expect that trainers are operating on the up and up."

That belies something that you posted here previously (perhaps during a Marty Wolfson thread): "I know which trainers are" taking advantages or edges. (I don't recall whether you used advantage or edge, so I will not quote it.) This implies that you are privy to information that is not provided to the general public (i.e., a published account of a positive test), or to information that is not revealed through testing but is incriminating by word of mouth around the backstretch that indicates to you that a trainer is taking "an edge" or an "advantage."

What I quoted in the first paragraph is incongruous to what I posted in the second paragraph.

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Old 12-02-2009, 01:31 PM
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For Cardus and Handicappy..

Sorry my approach to this particular topic doesn't meet with your respective approvals. I respect virtually everyone that trains horses for a living and actively promote their work and the entire industry rather tirelessly. Everyone's respective ox seem to get gored at one time or another when this odious topic arises. I'll leave it at that.
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:35 PM
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This has nothing to do with "approvals." That is a lame response that attempts to deflect.

You talked out of both sides of your mouth on this issue.

I was fair and accurate on this one. That is indisputable.
I'm not deflecting anything. I frequently find it unnecessary to elaborate inappropriately on these medication topics. I'm sorry if you don't like how I handle it at times. I'm in a difficult position when it comes to discussing it.
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by giving him 30 days who is going to be scared off of cheating by that?
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by giving him 30 days who is going to be scared off of cheating by that?
You are very right about that. It is down-right silly.
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:20 PM
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by giving him 30 days who is going to be scared off of cheating by that?
A nice little vacation before Gulfstream cranks up.

If I could get 30 days and slide right back into my job after those 30 days, I'd start injecting myself.
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Look, new policies.

Kentucky adopts new test rules
By Matt Hegarty
LEXINGTON, Ky. - The Kentucky Racing Commission adopted new regulations Tuesday that will drop a requirement to test all race winners for illegal drugs in favor of a new policy that focuses on horses whose performances are suspicious.

Under the new regulations, all winners will be sent to the test barn for the collection of blood and urine samples, along with at least one other horse in the race selected by the three stewards. However, if the winner is among the race's favorites and performed according to its recent past performances, its post-race sample will only be tested 50 percent of the time, while the samples from the horse or horses selected by the stewards will always be tested.

Stewards are supposed to select the horses based on several criteria, including aberrant wagering patterns, performances that are significantly better or worse than a horse's odds or past performances would indicate, or intelligence from racetrack security, according to Dr. Mary Scollay, the commission's equine medical director.

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Look, new policies.

Kentucky adopts new test rules
By Matt Hegarty
LEXINGTON, Ky. - The Kentucky Racing Commission adopted new regulations Tuesday that will drop a requirement to test all race winners for illegal drugs in favor of a new policy that focuses on horses whose performances are suspicious.

Under the new regulations, all winners will be sent to the test barn for the collection of blood and urine samples, along with at least one other horse in the race selected by the three stewards. However, if the winner is among the race's favorites and performed according to its recent past performances, its post-race sample will only be tested 50 percent of the time, while the samples from the horse or horses selected by the stewards will always be tested.

Stewards are supposed to select the horses based on several criteria, including aberrant wagering patterns, performances that are significantly better or worse than a horse's odds or past performances would indicate, or intelligence from racetrack security, according to Dr. Mary Scollay, the commission's equine medical director.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/109277.html
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"If you have a horse that has won the last five starts, went off at 2-5, and distanced the field by 20, is that horse of interest in terms of medication issues?" Scollay said after the meeting. "The form is consistent, so there's probably another horse in the race that is, say, 100-1 who finished second, and that horse is of much more interest from a testing standpoint."

So basically if you medicate them from the get-go and they stay the same you're safe?
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