McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like what?

You told Eric that guys are running horses on stuff that isnt being tested for? Well if it isnt illegal and it works and makes your horse faster because the horse feels better..........AND?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You told Eric that guys are running horses on stuff that isnt being tested for? Well if it isnt illegal and it works and makes your horse faster because the horse feels better..........AND?

Just because they dont have a test for something doesnt mean that it isnt illegal. Despite what all your sources tell you. In KY any non-naturally occuring substance that isnt on the approved list is considered illegal. The idea behind the rule is in theory they are going to go back and retest the old samples and using newly found drugs and nail the trainers under a blanket rule. Of course the chance of frozen samples being retested are slim at best.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just because they dont have a test for something doesnt mean that it isnt illegal. Despite what all your sources tell you. In KY any non-naturally occuring substance that isnt on the approved list is considered illegal. The idea behind the rule is in theory they are going to go back and retest the old samples and using newly found drugs and nail the trainers under a blanket rule. Of course the chance of frozen samples being retested are slim at best.

Who races in KY other then Keeneland who would cheat at CD who would race at CD? If Ken McPeek is willing to win every race at Keeneland because he knows there is a drug that helps his horses FEEL better and run faster and the drug is NOT illegal that makes him a cheater? Why because in 2016 it will be illegal..Your serious right?? Good Luck Chuck hope you get a Rachel type soon.

So let me get this right there are a bunch of meds out there that work really well, make your stock feel better, doesnt endanger there lives, and is perfectly legal currently because they arent testing for it and havent declared it illegal yet you wont use it because they may declare it illegal in 2019.. I use organic milk as well..lol

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Who races in KY other then Keeneland who would cheat at CD who would race at CD? If Ken McPeek is willing to win every race at Keeneland because he knows there is a drug that helps his horses FEEL better and run faster and the drug is NOT illegal that makes him a cheater? Why because in 2016 it will be illegal..Your serious right?? Good Luck Chuck hope you get a Rachel type soon.

So let me get this right there are a bunch of meds out there that work really well, make your stock feel better, doesnt endanger there lives, and is perfectly legal currently because they arent testing for it and havent declared it illegal yet you wont use it because they may declare it illegal in 2019.. I use organic milk as well..lol

No Freddy, it is illegal now! It doesnt become illegal when they discover it.

If you cheat on your wife but dont get caught for awhile does that mean you werent really cheating on her?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No Freddy, it is illegal now! It doesnt become illegal when they discover it.

If you cheat on your wife but dont get caught for awhile does that mean you werent really cheating on her?

Well they arent testing for it and are hiding behide ANYTHING that isnt NATURALLY OCCURRING.. get off the soap box nothing in a horse is natural..Whats so natural about gastroguard or anyfriggin daily friigin meds?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Well they arent testing for it and are hiding behide ANYTHING that isnt NATURALLY OCCURRING.. get off the soap box nothing in a horse is natural..Whats so natural about gastroguard or anyfriggin daily friigin meds?

They are allowed, that is the difference. You, freddy, are one of the problems in this sport,game,business or whatever you want to call it. You want to disregard the intent by saying they just want to win as though breaking the rules is acceptable. Or you want to gloss over the records of past abuse. or you want to lump all meds in one big basket. You my friend are the voice of a many owners who use these excuses to justify hiring a guy with a poor track record. And THAT is the greatest obstacle this sport, game business has in cleaning up its act.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are allowed, that is the difference. You, freddy, are one of the problems in this sport,game,business or whatever you want to call it. You want to disregard the intent by saying they just want to win as though breaking the rules is acceptable. Or you want to gloss over the records of past abuse. or you want to lump all meds in one big basket. You my friend are the voice of a many owners who use these excuses to justify hiring a guy with a poor track record. And THAT is the greatest obstacle this sport, game business has in cleaning up its act.

This sport is no different then any other.. my horse had double barrel adaquan for two days before he raced. Adaquan is legal in Pa. to race on.. Is adaquan a naturally occuring substance? Is gastrogard a natural substance. Surely your horses get similar meds as they are common and helpful to making them feel better and run faster.. You think the line stops where? I want nothing to do with racing any horse on any medication that is NOT LEGAL. but if it is legal and will help me win and pay for a complete laimo you are dam straight I am interested. If ole Kenny Mc peek was buying 50k horses and found something which was a non natural substance but was not detrimental to the horses health made them run better and wasnt going to get him or myself in trouble count me in as long at it is legal. Legal is defined as a substance which is tested for that the state mandates you get in troublefor if your horse races on it. If they dont test for it how can it be illegal or more importantly why ?

[Danzig]

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

Know what the issue is with me? They don't even seem to be able to figure out how to cheat "well" - where there's a real benefit!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

It isnt even the time. It is not losing business and in the most perverse case, actually gaining business while suspended. hell if you gave guys no days but they lost 25% of their horses for every serious positive you'd see a different attitude towards violations.