Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[CSC]

Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, it was very interesting and worth the listen. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, very interesting. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

LOL, so Mike Smith says she may have been better on dirt. She may have been better on Turf.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

LOL, so Mike Smith says she may have been better on dirt. She may have been better on Turf.

Why is this funny? let me guess you don't like her much do you?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by CSC

Why is this funny? let me guess you don't like her much do you?

B/c I could care less what a jockey says about a horse who raced all of one time on dirt and virtually never trained on it...The answer is we will never know.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Incase no one has read or listened to Mike Smith's comments in the Bloodhorse interview/chat, it was very interesting and worth the listen. 2 things caught my eye.

1. Of note he mentioned Zenyatta may have been even better on dirt.

2. That everyone horse that lost to her in the Apple Blossom came out to win their next starts, all stakes wins(2 gr.1's) with the last place finisher winning an allowance race.

Really? Who won Grade I's in their very next start after the Apple Blossom?

The answer: none of the above.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Really? Who won Grade I's in their very next start after the Apple Blossom?

The answer: none of the above.

NT

I'm just quoting Mike, don't kill the messenger. I would guess Ginger Punch would be one.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'm just quoting Mike, don't kill the messenger. I would guess Ginger Punch would be one.

No fact checking?

The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.

This was the Apple Blossom field (in order of finish):

Zenyatta
Brownie Points
Ginger Punch
Lemon Drop Mom
Clever Strike
Kettleoneup

Zenyatta subsequently won the Milady (G2), Brownie Points the Ouija Board (G3-T), Ginger Punch the Louisville Handicap (G2), Lemon Drop Mom the Winter Melody at Delaware. Clever Strike won an allowance race on the turf at Arlington restricted to horses who had never won a race on turf.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No fact checking?

The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.

This was the Apple Blossom field (in order of finish):

Zenyatta
Brownie Points
Ginger Punch
Lemon Drop Mom
Clever Strike
Kettleoneup

Zenyatta subsequently won the Milady (G2), Brownie Points the Ouija Board (G3-T), Ginger Punch the Louisville Handicap (G2), Lemon Drop Mom the Winter Melody at Delaware. Clever Strike won an allowance race on the turf at Arlington restricted to horses who had never won a race on turf.

NT

Mike needs to brush up on his grade one's then, still not unimpressive that all horses won in their next starts.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Mike needs to brush up on his grade one's then, still not unimpressive that all horses won in their next starts.

Not quite

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The answer is none of them won Grade Is in their next start and the last-place finisher, Kettleoneup, came back to run last again in the Louisville Handicap at CD.

[Merlinsky]

I got miffed when the Sir Barton was renamed to the Barbaro, I guess I should've expected something like this. I don't oppose renaming races after a horse that moved a lot of people, it just feels like you were trying to honor the other horse, and now that's done. I guess they figured renaming a G2 wasn't going far enough given how amazing she is, still it's frustrating. I'll be honest, the name Lady's Secret has always reminded me of both the horse and deodorant.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I got miffed when the Sir Barton was renamed to the Barbaro, I guess I should've expected something like this. I don't oppose renaming races after a horse that moved a lot of people, it just feels like you were trying to honor the other horse, and now that's done. I guess they figured renaming a G2 wasn't going far enough given how amazing she is, still it's frustrating. I'll be honest, the name Lady's Secret has always reminded me of both the horse and deodorant.

The annoying thing with that is that Delaware also named a race for Barbaro.

Not to mention he broke down at Pimlico, as opposed to achieving glory there.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No fact checking?

NT

I'm at work and have restrictions to certain sites, I rely alot on my memory when I'm quoting stats here, that is why I cited it was said in the Mike Smith Interview, no deception was intended.

[Travis Stone]

If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

That race was one of her easier races when you see it, and it was done running into a moderate pace. Being by Street Cry it isn't a stretch that she may have been better on dirt. It's too bad history will record it as her only race on dirt.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If she was better on dirt, it's a shame we only were able to see her run on it.... once.

agreed, thats the biggest problem with this horse. its woulda, coulda , shoulda. she won one race on dirt and scratched when it rained the other time. why if shes so good on dirt? how does anyone know shes better on dirt?????...answer...they don't. its a joke. you run the horse to prove it. as if mike smith saying so validates it. its just so stupid of an argument. talk is, well...just that. the other horse ran halfway across the country in races she had no business winning, your horse DID NOT. thats the difference. you can name 18 races the "zenyatta" it won't matter. you should of run when you could of but you didn't. even if i thought zenyatta was faster, which i do. you didn't do it, you stayed home..ALL YEAR.....oh well...tiz life. thats the message that should be sent to her connections.

[CSC]

Well I don't have past p's at my finger tips but Ginger Punch won the Go For Wand, The Personal Ensign and the Ogden Phipps Handicap in 08 after losing to Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom. Not sure it was her next start but if not it was must have been damn close.

[kgar311]

Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

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[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Why is it that day after day, week after week, we have to listen to these fools out west make their pitch for HOY honors for Zenyatta while RA's camp sits back, says nothing and lets her record do the talking? This is actually getting pretty sickening, the drooling over this horse. It took a couple weeks for me to go from actually liking and rooting for the horse to absolutely despising her because of the nonsense that comes out of the connections mouths and the track and fans alike.

Ya, cause everything has to be political. Wonder what you will say when they give RA a race of her own (and she will surley get one). Zenyatta connections never said that she should get HOY as they kept quiet about the subject when asked. Its not like the Moss's campaigned to get the race named after her anyways. Just wait when RA steps on to the track and wins another, then you will have people gushing over her.

What nonsense are you talking about anyways?? You blame people for liking Zenyatta?? RA and Zenyatta brought new and more enthusiastic fan base this year to the tracks. Instead of embracing the fact that Horse Racing got a boost by these two great horses, you meanwhile find it sickening.

[chucklestheclown]

I find this development truly distasteful, and I seem to be in the minority of players who don't have an aversion to synthetics or the West Coast. I guess after a few days they realized having a G.I with her name on it could not be bad for future business-friendships, respect and tradition aside.