Going Rogue

[gales0678]

if she were presdent right now would she be doing any worse than Obama?

why health care is an important issue and deserves time and energy does it deserve all the time and energey of the domestic issues , the jobs issue gets thrown to the back burner...unemploymnet standing at around 17% and climbing , if that number doesn't start heading south the dems will be out in '10 and obama will go the way of papa bush , 1 and done

[joeydb]

Yeah, aren't you glad we're trying to turn the best medical system in the world into another social security, medicare, or welfare failure? That's a much better time than trying to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions, right? There won't be any problem with that.

I submit to you that those who think the president is a genius are easily impressed, and might consider the reverse possibility. For an illustration of what I mean, watch "Being There" with Peter Sellers.

[dalakhani]

[quote=joeydb]Yeah, aren't you glad we're trying to turn the best medical system in the world into another social security, medicare, or welfare failure? QUOTE]

I'm curious as to what would make our health care system the best in the world. Enlighten me...please.

[joeydb]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Yeah, aren't you glad we're trying to turn the best medical system in the world into another social security, medicare, or welfare failure? QUOTE]

I'm curious as to what would make our health care system the best in the world. Enlighten me...please.

Uh... how about the highest life expectency for starters? The pharmaceuticals the rest of the world uses are researched, invented and made here. Medical equipment, not to mention the medical schools themselves: Johns Hopkins just one example.

When a case of Siamese twins is reported, where is the surgery almost always performed to separate them? Here. When world leaders get sick, where do many of them come for surgery? Here.

You can't be that obtuse. I'm certain you are just trying to be sarcastic in favor of your leftist sensibilities. In that case, you probably already believe that idiot Michael Moore, in which case I guess you'll be going to Cuba for any necessary surgery or advanced medical care. Take a number, they'll get to you in around 18 months. While your at it, go to the UK for dentistry too. They're pulling out their own teeth over there because they can't get an appointment -- that's how good socialized medicine is.

Let's increase the demand and decrease the supply, that'll work out real well. How does that happen? Simple. By making everything "free" (note the quotes), every splinter or hangnail will go to the Emergency Room. Hospitals will fill with less severe cases from more vocal and politically protected classes, even those who don't speak English so it's harder to get a medical history. Couple that with putting price caps on medical care, in the hope that hospitals and doctors will operate at a loss, and all of a sudden less potential doctors want to go into medical school. The price caps alone would do that just like the gas station lines in the 70's. Price fixing doesn't work.

We'll soon have Soviet-style lines wrapping around the corner. John Stossel showed this about the Canadian system while he was still working at ABC.

Get a clue -- a leftist arrogant delivery does not constitute a brilliant point. Those who haven't consumed the Obama Kool-Aid aren't buying it. 2010 will be a bad year if you're looking for blue on that election map.

[dalakhani]

[quote=joeydb]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Uh... how about the highest life expectency for starters? The pharmaceuticals the rest of the world uses are researched, invented and made here. Medical equipment, not to mention the medical schools themselves: Johns Hopkins just one example.

When a case of Siamese twins is reported, where is the surgery almost always performed to separate them? Here. When world leaders get sick, where do many of them come for surgery? Here.

You can't be that obtuse. I'm certain you are just trying to be sarcastic in favor of your leftist sensibilities. In that case, you probably already believe that idiot Michael Moore, in which case I guess you'll be going to Cuba for any necessary surgery or advanced medical care. Take a number, they'll get to you in around 18 months. While your at it, go to the UK for dentistry too. They're pulling out their own teeth over there because they can't get an appointment -- that's how good socialized medicine is.

Let's increase the demand and decrease the supply, that'll work out real well. How does that happen? Simple. By making everything "free" (note the quotes), every splinter or hangnail will go to the Emergency Room. Hospitals will fill with less severe cases from more vocal and politically protected classes, even those who don't speak English so it's harder to get a medical history. Couple that with putting price caps on medical care, in the hope that hospitals and doctors will operate at a loss, and all of a sudden less potential doctors want to go into medical school. The price caps alone would do that just like the gas station lines in the 70's. Price fixing doesn't work.

We'll soon have Soviet-style lines wrapping around the corner. John Stossel showed this about the Canadian system while he was still working at ABC.

Get a clue -- a leftist arrogant delivery does not constitute a brilliant point. Those who haven't consumed the Obama Kool-Aid aren't buying it. 2010 will be a bad year if you're looking for blue on that election map.

LOL. There is not a single statement of fact in this silly diatribe. Again, I asked you to enlighten me. Try again except this time throw in a fact or two. I know you can do it.

[joeydb]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

LOL. There is not a single statement of fact in this silly diatribe. Again, I asked you to enlighten me. Try again except this time throw in a fact or two. I know you can do it.

OK, maybe you ARE that dense.

It was full of facts, none of which you want to acknowledge or express a reasoned counterpoint to. That's fine, political messages are much shorter these days anyway, you know, "Hope and Change", "Yes We Can", that sort of thing. I'm sure it worked on you.

The declaration was "The best medical system in the world". That's obviously an opinion, though in this case it is an informed one. So if you reject that statement by having a different opinion, I guess you're not going to see any "facts" in there. Even if I furnished you with statistics, you would magnify the error in any statistical process, or assume a bias is present.

I choose not to expend energy arguing with someone who wishes to follow the Pied Piper. Your mind cannot be changed. You are a commited leftist so enjoy the fruits of the 2008 election while they last.

[dalakhani]

[quote=joeydb]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

When a case of Siamese twins is reported, where is the surgery almost always performed to separate them? Here. .

Filling out my papers right now for a membership in the Republican Party.

[joeydb]

UK, people pulling out own teeth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...treat-her.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-dentist.html

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

UK, people pulling out own teeth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...treat-her.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-dentist.html

Yes, but its how they deal with the siamese twins that counts!

[joeydb]

Stossel's ABC report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJgkvF19QA

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if she were presdent right now would she be doing any worse than Obama?

why health care is an important issue and deserves time and energy does it deserve all the time and energey of the domestic issues , the jobs issue gets thrown to the back burner...unemploymnet standing at around 17% and climbing , if that number doesn't start heading south the dems will be out in '10 and obama will go the way of papa bush , 1 and done

You seem like a nice guy. Research that stat.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You seem like a nice guy. Research that stat.

It was released a couple of weeks ago that if you include those who have given up looking for a job, the figure is around 17%. The unemployment statistic, going back to Carter, always has a time limit (6 months, a year, I forget which). So before you chuckle too much, that number has some validity, given the proper context.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by joeydb

It was released a couple of weeks ago that if you include those who have given up looking for a job, the figure is around 17%. The unemployment statistic, going back to Carter, always has a time limit (6 months, a year, I forget which). So before you chuckle too much, that number has some validity, given the proper context.

of all papers , even the ny times had it at 17% in an article about 2 weeks ago

[richard burch]

and she is so smart too!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6e7jvED8gM

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by richard burch

and she is so smart too!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6e7jvED8gM

Levi has stuff on her, but she knows that people aren't going to believe a guy that got a teenage girl knocked up.

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34002562...more_politics/

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

It was released a couple of weeks ago that if you include those who have given up looking for a job, the figure is around 17%. The unemployment statistic, going back to Carter, always has a time limit (6 months, a year, I forget which). So before you chuckle too much, that number has some validity, given the proper context.

LOL. Any number has validity given "proper context". I can say unemployment is at zero percent...given the context that everyone that works in my buidling has had a job since yesterday when the survey was taken.

The number that counts is the one given out monthly by the US govt...right or wrong. That is the number Mr. Bush use to tout...before the jobs started going away. Last month, that number was at 9.8%.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. Any number has validity given "proper context". I can say unemployment is at zero percent...given the context that everyone that works in my buidling has had a job since yesterday when the survey was taken.

The number that counts is the one given out monthly by the US govt...right or wrong. That is the number Mr. Bush use to tout...before the jobs started going away. Last month, that number was at 9.8%.

he was wrong too

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by gales0678

he was wrong too

10.2 in november, 9.8 in october.

http://www.bls.gov/CPS/

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

10.2 in november, 9.8 in october.

http://www.bls.gov/CPS/

what about the people who have given up looking for a job and have dropped off the gov't radar , do they simply not exist because they aren't on u/e insurance any more ?