ramon and rajiv

[dalakhani]

I will have to respectfully disagree with the dominguez bashers. I have been watching Ramon for years and if he isnt a top jockey at this point i dont know who is. He can ride any horse on any surface.

You would really take Mike Smith as an all around jockey at this point over Dominguez? Really?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I will have to respectfully disagree with the dominguez bashers. I have been watching Ramon for years and if he isnt a top jockey at this point i dont know who is. He can ride any horse on any surface.

You would really take Mike Smith as an all around jockey at this point over Dominguez? Really?

if smith rode gio ponti and ramon rode zenyatta you have a different winner last saturday at the bcc

on the pro surface track you need to be far outside and wide coming for home , ramon got trapped inside and never gave his horse a chance to see zenyatta coming

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if smith rode gio ponti and ramon rode zenyatta you have a different winner last saturday at the bcc

on the pro surface track you need to be far outside and wide coming for home , ramon got trapped inside and never gave his horse a chance to see zenyatta coming

Please give up the rant on the Gio Ponti ride. The ride was completely flawless, and as a person who bet him, I couldn't have asked for a better trip for my money. Smith's ride was great as well and he had the best horse on the day that's why he won. Furthest Land and Vale of York both won their races with similar trips to Gio Ponti, so this argument that the inside wasn't the place to be is absurd.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

Please give up the rant on the Gio Ponti ride. The ride was completely flawless, and as a person who bet him, I couldn't have asked for a better trip for my money. Smith's ride was great as well and he had the best horse on the day that's why he won. Furthest Land and Vale of York both won their races with similar trips to Gio Ponti, so this argument that the inside wasn't the place to be is absurd.

again tell me where the best part of the track was that day and for the days leading up to the cup - if the inside was so good why did mike smith go from tracking RD to go way way wide on the far turn? why did ramon try to get outside but got blocked twice by the #3 horse - simpky inexcusible

smith knew where to go he swung way wide to the best part of the surface and jerry bailey made note of it - right after the race saying he earned every $ today for the connections with his flawless ride

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again tell me where the best part of the track was that day and for the days leading up to the cup - if the inside was so good why did mike smith go from tracking RD to go way way wide on the far turn? why did ramon try to get outside but got blocked twice by the #3 horse - simpky inexcusible

smith knew where to go he swung way wide to the best part of the surface and jerry bailey made note of it - right after the race saying he earned every $ today for the connections with his flawless ride

He went outside because there was nowhere to go after Gio Ponti went through the only open spot inside. Ramon was patient as he always is and the hole opened up and he hit it perfectly. I'm not sure where you can see him getting blocked at any point really. Do you really think that if Ramon opted to go outside, which means he would have had to go out 4 or 5 paths and was much closer to the leaders than Smith was at the time, that Gio Ponti would have warded off Zenyatta's stronger late kick? Watch his ride on Carribean Sunset this year in the Diana and let me know if that was a bad ride as well where he narrowly lost to Forever Together on an overmatched horse. That was a very similar ride in the stretch to the Gio Ponti ride.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if smith rode gio ponti and ramon rode zenyatta you have a different winner last saturday at the bcc

on the pro surface track you need to be far outside and wide coming for home , ramon got trapped inside and never gave his horse a chance to see zenyatta coming

Thats hard to say. I really thought Gomez should have ridden Gio Pionti but Zenyatta was all the best that day.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Thats hard to say. I really thought Gomez should have ridden Gio Pionti but Zenyatta was all the best that day.

gio ponti never saw zenyatta , how do you know she gets bye him if ramon is right on the outside , right next to her

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by gales0678

gio ponti never saw zenyatta , how do you know she gets bye him if ramon is right on the outside , right next to her

I am not going to criticize Dominguez's ride on Gio Pionti but a jockey ideally would like to take the shortest route to the finish line and for Domininguez he saw the inside to be wide wide open and he rightfully took it.

For Zenyatta, mike smith, in every race, swings her outside and stays in the outer path all the way. Zenyatta is such a big horse and its hard for anyone to split horses like smith attempted to do so instead he swings farther outside and then she was gone.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I am not going to criticize Dominguez's ride on Gio Pionti but a jockey ideally would like to take the shortest route to the finish line and for Domininguez he saw the inside to be wide wide open and he rightfully took it.

Originally Posted by eajinabi

For Zenyatta, mike smith, in every race, swings her outside and stays in the outer path all the way. Zenyatta is such a big horse and its hard for anyone to split horses like smith attempted to do so instead he swings farther outside and then she was gone.

i agree with this statement when you are on dirt anywhere in the country , but , not necessiarly the pro ride surfaces in so cal

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if smith rode gio ponti and ramon rode zenyatta you have a different winner last saturday at the bcc

on the pro surface track you need to be far outside and wide coming for home , ramon got trapped inside and never gave his horse a chance to see zenyatta coming

Please stop... Gio Ponti exploded through that opening and was easily gunned down by the GOAT.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think the top 5 is clear cut right now... Ramon, Julian, Garcia, Kent and Gomez.... That's in order.