ramon and rajiv

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

There is no way you can compare either of those guys to Ramon. Who exactly are the "top level" riders that Ramon just couldn't stack up with? Just curious.

For Example: Gomez, Desormaux, Mike Smith, Edgar Prado, Leparoux, Bejarano are some who for sure rank highr than Dominguez. Its nice that Dominguez wins jockey title after jockey title but when the big days come he is a no-show. The jockeys mentioned above dont win jockey titles like dominguez but when the big races come they consistently show up and produce winners.

Dominguez did win the Saratoga title but Castellano, Garcia, Prado, Maragh and Desourmaux each had more stakes win than he. For a guy that rides as many races and who wins that many races, his graded stakes wins are very minimal. To his credit, he is very young and has an eternity to move to the top.

He is the Steve Nash of horse racing: Great in the regular season but no-show in the playoffs

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

For Example: Gomez, Desormaux, Mike Smith, Edgar Prado, Leparoux, Bejarano are some who for sure rank highr than Dominguez. Its nice that Dominguez wins jockey title after jockey title but when the big days come he is a no-show. The jockeys mentioned above dont win jockey titles like dominguez but when the big races come they consistently show up and produce winners.

Dominguez did win the Saratoga title but Castellano, Garcia, Prado, Maragh and Desourmaux each had more stakes win than he. For a guy that rides as many races and who wins that many races, his graded stakes wins are very minimal. To his credit, he is very young and has an eternity to move to the top.

He is the Steve Nash of horse racing: Great in the regular season but no-show in the playoffs

Wouldn't this be more of a function of an agent getting good stakes mounts for a rider? He does have 5 or 6 G1's this year in races like the Arlington Million and Man O War so it's not as though he is just non-exsistent as you're implying. And I think he had the most stakes wins at Saratoga if I'm not mistaken (not just graded stakes but all stakes). Agree to disagree but IMO he is the best you can do right now in terms of riders in any race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

For Example: Gomez, Desormaux, Mike Smith, Edgar Prado, Leparoux, Bejarano are some who for sure rank highr than Dominguez.

Nonsense. There's no way Smith, Prado or Bejarano rank higher than him. Gomez yeah, Desormeaux maybe, Leparoux maybe. It's not even an argument, Dominguez is a top five jock right now.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nonsense. There's no way Smith, Prado or Bejarano rank higher than him. Gomez yeah, Desormeaux maybe, Leparoux maybe. It's not even an argument, Dominguez is a top five jock right now.

I was about to type pretty much the same thing, then saw your post. I couldn't agree more.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nonsense. There's no way Smith, Prado or Bejarano rank higher than him. Gomez yeah, Desormeaux maybe, Leparoux maybe. It's not even an argument, Dominguez is a top five jock right now.

I dont know what and how you consider him better than anyone one of them. If you go by acomplischments thus far then Dominguez has to be dead last on that list. If you want to compare him in the last year or so then top 10 he is for sure. Top 5 maybe not

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I dont know what and how you consider him better than anyone one of them. If you go by acomplischments thus far then Dominguez has to be dead last on that list. If you want to compare him in the last year or so then top 10 he is for sure. Top 5 maybe not

So because Dominguez has no Triple Crown or BC wins he's not a Top 5 rider?

Sure, I mean, why not base a jockey's standing on the results of 17 races when he rides 1700 races a year.

NT

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So because Dominguez has no Triple Crown or BC wins he's not a Top 5 rider?

Sure, I mean, why not base a jockey's standing on the results of 17 races when he rides 1700 races a year.

NT

He actually won the Turf on Better Talk Now in '04. Couldn't agree more with you though.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

He actually won the Turf on Better Talk Now in '04. Couldn't agree more with you though.

Yeah, I meant this year. Hell, it was a pair of Dominguez 2nd place finishes in2006 that worked out great for me with Friendly Island and Better Talk Now.

NT

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, I meant this year. Hell, it was a pair of Dominguez 2nd place finishes in2006 that worked out great for me with Friendly Island and Better Talk Now.

NT

Ah gotcha, my bad. His 2nd on Bluegrass Cat was good for me as well in the Derby that year.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So because Dominguez has no Triple Crown or BC wins he's not a Top 5 rider?

Sure, I mean, why not base a jockey's standing on the results of 17 races when he rides 1700 races a year.

NT

No,I dont like to confuse quantity of wins is better than quality of wins.

If we compare young jockeys only then Alan Garcia and Leparoux managed to step out of the one-two hit wonders and routinely win graded stakes races month in and month out.

Maybe Dominguez shouldnt be riding 1700 races a year. He has already proven he can win titles so the next logical step is for him to focus on earning quality mounts and secure those big wins to put on his resume. I am sure he will be a force in the later years but right now he is not there.