John Shirreffs

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think you might just be recalling top class sprinters Swept Overboard and Hook And Ladder (maybe a little Lethal Instrument and High Wire Act?) and somehow amplifying the actual numbers...

Don't forget Shirreffs trained David Copperfield ... who won his debut by a neck over Fusaichi Pegasus. Less than 6 months later Fu Peg won the Derby as the post time favorite.

Also ... Shirreffs trained the beastly filly Manistique .. who won her debut by a pole with something like a 112 Beyer.

There were a few more who freaked in there debut as well for him.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Trivia...

Cliquot was a Shirreffs/505 first time starter from that time period who got beat a nose in his debut.

Name the eventual 7 time Graded Stakes winner who beat him.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trivia...

Cliquot was a Shirreffs/505 first time starter from that time period who got beat a nose in his debut.

Name the eventual 7 time Graded Stakes winner who beat him.

General Challenge

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yep.

It's too bad Rock Hard Ten '85 wasn't a big fan of his.

He could change his moniker to Generally Challenged 1985