John Shirreffs

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Please, take a look at After Market's PPs for a second...After Market finished a non-threatening 6th at 28-1 in the Kilroe Handicap and then was a non-threatening 5th with a perfect trip in a conditional money allowance. Finally he got into the winners circle in a weak 5 horse rendition of the Inglewood Handicap. Then he continued to get great setup, after great setup before coming home east and losing the Kelso BC Mile...Did he really improve that much out West or did he just beat up on crap out there???

That Inglewood Day was a very good day for me.

I After Market after that day.

[RolloTomasi]

After Market had bleeding issues that was reportedly the basis for his transfer out west.

As far as Shireffs ability as a debut trainer, where are your patented stats?

I think you might just be recalling top class sprinters Swept Overboard and Hook And Ladder (maybe a little Lethal Instrument and High Wire Act?) and somehow amplifying the actual numbers...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

As far as Shireffs ability as a debut trainer, where are your patented stats?

Shirreffs with first time starters between '98 and '99 ...

24-14-4-0 (58.3% wins) $7.63 ROI.


At Hollywood Park: 12-8-2-0 $7.90 ROI

At Santa Anita: 9-6-2-0 $9.82 ROI

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think you might just be recalling top class sprinters Swept Overboard and Hook And Ladder (maybe a little Lethal Instrument and High Wire Act?) and somehow amplifying the actual numbers...

Don't forget Shirreffs trained David Copperfield ... who won his debut by a neck over Fusaichi Pegasus. Less than 6 months later Fu Peg won the Derby as the post time favorite.

Also ... Shirreffs trained the beastly filly Manistique .. who won her debut by a pole with something like a 112 Beyer.

There were a few more who freaked in there debut as well for him.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Trivia...

Cliquot was a Shirreffs/505 first time starter from that time period who got beat a nose in his debut.

Name the eventual 7 time Graded Stakes winner who beat him.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trivia...

Cliquot was a Shirreffs/505 first time starter from that time period who got beat a nose in his debut.

Name the eventual 7 time Graded Stakes winner who beat him.

General Challenge

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yep.

It's too bad Rock Hard Ten '85 wasn't a big fan of his.

He could change his moniker to Generally Challenged 1985