The House is about to socialize your medicine, and your life.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hopefully it will come out, and my guess is it will.

I hope so too, and I think you are probably right, but I wouldn't count on it. If there is a more gutless collection of political wimps than the Democrats in Congress....I haven't met them.
They throw real reform (single-payer) out the window before the debate process even starts, compromise the integrity of the bill(s) they do come up with repeatedly, and then go along with this Stupak-ammendment crap.
Since the right-wing hillbilly movement is going to scream about "socializing your medicine" no matter what, it would be nice if just once the Democrats actually showed enough backbone to make the right-wingers' fears of drastic change legitimate.

So will it shock me if Senate Democrats accept letting a womans' right to choose suffer just because the alternative might be a little politically difficult? Not in the least.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I hope so too, and I think you are probably right, but I wouldn't count on it. If there is a more gutless collection of political wimps than the Democrats in Congress....I haven't met them.
They throw real reform (single-payer) out the window before the debate process even starts, compromise the integrity of the bill(s) they do come up with repeatedly, and then go along with this Stupak-ammendment crap.
Since the right-wing hillbilly movement is going to scream about "socializing your medicine" no matter what, it would be nice if just once the Democrats actually showed enough backbone to make the right-wingers' fears of drastic change legitimate.

So will it shock me if Senate Democrats accept letting a womans' right to choose suffer just because the alternative might be a little politically difficult? Not in the least.

they could never have passed single payer. there weren't ever enough votes.

the senate will pass a more "conservative" bill than the house and the final bill will be closer to what comes out of the senate than the house. because of senate rules, the key number is 60 votes in the senate, not 218 in the house.

the stupak amendment is the consequence of being a "big tent" party. we could try the republican route and start calling anti-abortion democrats "dino's".

but i'd rather have an anti-abortion democrat representing a conservative district then an anti-abortion republican. i'll let republicans be the ones to define themselves as a minority.

Originally Posted by miraja2

I hope so too, and I think you are probably right, but I wouldn't count on it. If there is a more gutless collection of political wimps than the Democrats in Congress....I haven't met them.
They throw real reform (single-payer) out the window before the debate process even starts, compromise the integrity of the bill(s) they do come up with repeatedly, and then go along with this Stupak-ammendment crap.
Since the right-wing hillbilly movement is going to scream about "socializing your medicine" no matter what, it would be nice if just once the Democrats actually showed enough backbone to make the right-wingers' fears of drastic change legitimate.

So will it shock me if Senate Democrats accept letting a womans' right to choose suffer just because the alternative might be a little politically difficult? Not in the least.

Right-wing hillbilly movement. That sounds slightly less offensive than the left-wing corhholer movement. But it's ok because you listen to Ani Difranco and they listen to Brooks & Dunn. You're not as annoying. Nah.