Early Breeders' Cup Projections...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll trust Patrick's judgement. I think the added distance is a HUGE concern and to just assume that she will have that explosive kick regardless of the distance is a mistake.

The mile could be tougher, though I don't think the European contingency is considered all that tough this year ( let's see if George Washington can rebound to his pre-injury form ), but racing at the proper distance is FAR mre important than worrying about the possibly minor difference in field quality. Anyway, Ouiji Board could well be tougher than any Euro in the mile, and the same owner as Gorella has Lady of Venice.

have read in the past that it's hoped gorella could go in the mile, IF they felt lady of venice would have a good chance in the f+m...so one would have to think that if lady can't run, or they don't like their chances, that gorella would go in there instead of the mile.

also, people, please remember that this is the day the very best come together. no horse is guaranteed a win...cough cough rock of gibraltar....

i like gorella, love to watch her run, come in from way back and sweep by the field BUT i laugh every time i see her, or pretty much any horse, being 'given' an easy win by the fans. her style in particular is one that can see defeat, and with larger fields oftentimes does. don't get me wrong, i'll enjoy her winning as much as anyone, even more so if she does it against the boys--but please keep the hype down just a tad.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

have read in the past that it's hoped gorella could go in the mile, IF they felt lady of venice would have a good chance in the f+m...so one would have to think that if lady can't run, or they don't like their chances, that gorella would go in there instead of the mile.

also, people, please remember that this is the day the very best come together. no horse is guaranteed a win...cough cough rock of gibraltar....

i like gorella, love to watch her run, come in from way back and sweep by the field BUT i laugh every time i see her, or pretty much any horse, being 'given' an easy win by the fans. her style in particular is one that can see defeat, and with larger fields oftentimes does. don't get me wrong, i'll enjoy her winning as much as anyone, even more so if she does it against the boys--but please keep the hype down just a tad.

He told me recently she was headed to the mile but I suppose that could change. You can always pre-enter in both races and take a look. I can easily understand arguments for both races, and while I would tend to prefer her chances in the mile, the fact is she will most likely be a shorter price in the F&M Turf and there's a reasonable argument that you are simply supposed to run her where her odds are the lowest ( on the board that is ). On the other hand, the Mile has a bigger purse and is probably considered a more prestigous race. Either way I guess it's a good predicament to be in.

I will root for her because I like Patrick but I doubt I would bet her in either spot. You're point about her running style possibly hurting her in a big field is a good one, just look what happened last year when she was arguably best, and it is far from clear she is the best horse in the race anyway. I guess we can wait and see the field.

I think one of the reasons she gets so much hype is her name....honestly. Another reason is she is an exceptionally good horse.

[Danzig]

she is a good horse...seems many go gaga a bit more tho over a horse with her late running style. i'm not trying to take a thing away from her, she's been remarkable all year. but i do get a grin on my face when i see people suggest that she would easily handle the likes of ouija board!!

i think she'll go in the mile, really regardless of where lady of venice ends up....because it's the better fit for her, better for her to run a late closing on the board finish, or maybe even the win, than to end up running out of gas, and out of the money, against the gals while going long the first time.

i wouldn't be surprised tho to see lady of venice show up in the f+m turf if she's training well. we all know anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

she is a good horse...seems many go gaga a bit more tho over a horse with her late running style. i'm not trying to take a thing away from her, she's been remarkable all year. but i do get a grin on my face when i see people suggest that she would easily handle the likes of ouija board!!

i think she'll go in the mile, really regardless of where lady of venice ends up....because it's the better fit for her, better for her to run a late closing on the board finish, or maybe even the win, than to end up running out of gas, and out of the money, against the gals while going long the first time.

i wouldn't be surprised tho to see lady of venice show up in the f+m turf if she's training well. we all know anything can happen.

I'm not sure I suggested she'd easily handle the likes of Ouija Board...I simply said that she'd have a better chance of winning the F&M Turf based on waht I currently know IMO....that said, Ouija Board will be tough BUT THERE IS NO BREEDERS' CUP RACE EVER RUN THAT WAS A WALK OVER...comon man....

The FACTS here are that she WOULD be lower odds in the F&M Turf rather than the Mile....just the facts....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I'm not sure I suggested she'd easily handle the likes of Ouija Board...I simply said that she'd have a better chance of winning the F&M Turf based on waht I currently know IMO....that said, Ouija Board will be tough BUT THERE IS NO BREEDERS' CUP RACE EVER RUN THAT WAS A WALK OVER...comon man....

The FACTS here are that she WOULD be lower odds in the F&M Turf rather than the Mile....just the facts....

i didn't have you or your posts in mind when i typed my posts above. and i just said no race would be easy so i'm not sure why you felt you had to remind me that no race was a walkover. i do think that the f+m turf might be a bit easier than the mile for gorella...but ouija for one has been giving the boys fits all year, carrying more weight than she will in november at churchill (carrying as much or more weight than the males here as well!)...some of the others will be tough as well, and have been tried at that distance in the past. gorella facing top competition and a new, longer distance would be interesting to say the very least.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i didn't have you or your posts in mind when i typed my posts above. and i just said no race would be easy so i'm not sure why you felt you had to remind me that no race was a walkover. i do think that the f+m turf might be a bit easier than the mile for gorella...but ouija for one has been giving the boys fits all year, carrying more weight than she will in november at churchill (carrying as much or more weight than the males here as well!)...some of the others will be tough as well, and have been tried at that distance in the past. gorella facing top competition and a new, longer distance would be interesting to say the very least.

If they decide to run Ouija Board in the FmTurf, it is a racing certainty that she wins. Rather easily i might add.

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

If they decide to run Ouija Board in the FmTurf, it is a racing certainty that she wins. Rather easily i might add.

really?

are you European based?

Im curious,
is it that much of a consensus over there that she is the best femal middle distance horse?

I like Alexandrova better. much better.

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