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Old 09-19-2006, 07:01 PM
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Nailed Rupert.
Not nailed.
There's no need to validate ignorance.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:09 PM
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So the Muslims are going to call a Jihad because of their suspicions?
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:14 PM
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anyone have any comments regarding rosie o'donnells 'words of wisdom' from the view the other day? i don't watch the show, but i saw the cut of her comments on the news later that day.....i think her comments were completely incorrect and incredibly ignorant--and i can't believe the audience response....well, yeah, i can. they are 'view' fans after all.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:18 PM
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anyone have any comments regarding rosie o'donnells 'words of wisdom' from the view the other day? i don't watch the show, but i saw the cut of her comments on the news later that day.....i think her comments were completely incorrect and incredibly ignorant--and i can't believe the audience response....well, yeah, i can. they are 'view' fans after all.
Agree with you,but really those comments don't deserve a response!
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:50 PM
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So the Muslims are going to call a Jihad because of their suspicions?
I don't know if they are calling for Jihad because they are suspicious.
I'm not a Muslim.
My best guess is that they feel "targeted".
I'll have to find an answer to your question on a site that offers and English translation from Arabic.
Timm, if you find the answer, share it. Thanks.
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:09 PM
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I don't know if they are calling for Jihad because they are suspicious.
I'm not a Muslim.
My best guess is that they feel "targeted".
I'll have to find an answer to your question on a site that offers and English translation from Arabic.
Timm, if you find the answer, share it. Thanks.
DTS: I was pretty sure you weren't a Muslim. Actually, as a white American, I feel kinda targeted too! We disagree on things, but I'm not calling for your head on a platter! These people need to level off and IF they can find a effective leader...then maybe they won't feel targeted because they'll have a voice!
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:35 PM
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DTS: I was pretty sure you weren't a Muslim. Actually, as a white American, I feel kinda targeted too! We disagree on things, but I'm not calling for your head on a platter! These people need to level off and IF they can find a effective leader...then maybe they won't feel targeted because they'll have a voice!
Timm,
Though you and I disagree on some things, I do agree that calling for someone's head is way out...WAY!
I am also a white American.
I can only guess how Native Americans, African Americans, who were previously "targeted", and yes, even currently... Arab Americans feel during these trying times.
Effective leaders? There certainly have been many voices from all sides, Christian, Muslim...on and on.
Leaders only have effect if there are others that find wisdom in their positions. Then and only then do those they lead feel empowered enough to follow truth, seek security, find commonality, and quest peace.
"False Messiahs" abound.
We all only need see them for what they are.
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:40 PM
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DTS: I would think,then,that the Arab world should stop bickering amongst themselves religiously and start finding a political voice with which to deliver their message!
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Old 09-19-2006, 10:17 PM
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DTS: I would think,then,that the Arab world should stop bickering amongst themselves religiously and start finding a political voice with which to deliver their message!
Timm,
Unfortunately, they have found a political voice to deliver their message, actually several...though I don't agree with any of them.
I just saw the interview with Iran's president. Williams asked him some difficult questions and he responded with answers that many will hear.
Again, I don't agree with his position.
Many in Iran listen to the Iman, though I don't agree with him either.
There is unity in their thoughts.
This makes the situation all the more dangerous, especially when the Pope gives them a reason to feel antagonized.
"There will be tribulation."
So...as Pilate asked, "What is truth?"
I think you know the answer.

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Old 09-19-2006, 10:57 PM
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Not nailed.
There's no need to validate ignorance.
The quote from Rupert:

What's ironic about this whole thing is that these militant Muslims are making the Pope look like he was right. The Pope was saying that it's a violent religion and now these militants are calling for the killing of the Pope and the killing of Christians, etc.

You would think that they would do the opposite. If they want to show that the Pope's remarks were incorrect, they should all be calling for restraint. They should be saying that his comments were incorrect and ignorant. By calling for violence, they are making his comments look correct.


Exactly what is ignorant about the above by Rupert... DTS?
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:17 PM
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And DTS. Just as a little insight into ignorance and/or brainwashing. What % of Muslims in non Middle East Countries think the Holocaust never occured? No poll is perfect. But it is quite amazing. In Middle Eastern Islamic countries it is off the charts.

In this day and age people can be told the Holocaust never occured, and then have a museum devoted to anti-Jewish art. At some time one has to make a decision about right and wrong. At some point and time people have a PERSONAL responsibility to search for the truth and not gloss over... like, well yes, there are also many US citizens that believe the holocaust never occurred... While the % is very low.
I think you see what I am trying to illustrate. You have got to see the danger in this worldwide movement of hatred and intolerance. ONe can pontificate endlessly on why it is occuring now, but the fact is, IT IS occurring. And any person like yourself who obviously does not like hatred that leads to bloodshed should be worried.
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Old 09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
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Pgardn,
I don't know how to respond to your questions because I really don't know.
I've never claimed that I did.
Here's a pretty good opinion, written by one of my favorites.
It gave me a chuckle. I hope it does for you also.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...oped-headlines
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Old 09-25-2006, 02:33 PM
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As the reaction to the Pope's words of last week continue in many places, it seems that his current words are more concilliatory.
I won't comment more than that, and leave it to others.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0605438.htm
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