Top 5 greatest training achievements in BC history

cakes44 · #1 11-02-2009, 10:25 AM

Just outside the top 5 IMO would be Frankel squeezing a 3rd out of Badge of Silver in the Mile off like a 9 month layoff.

Sightseek · #2 11-02-2009, 10:37 AM

I think William Livingston deserves a mention.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 11-03-2009, 09:28 AM

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I think William Livingston deserves a mention.

the photographer?

DaTruth · #4 11-02-2009, 10:39 AM

Dickinson in 1996 with Da Hoss. He had one route to get to the BC; the Preston brothers' advisor had another, richer route. Dickinson's plan won out. There would have been major egg on his face if Da Hoss had flopped at WO.

cakes44 · #5 11-02-2009, 10:41 AM

I would also include Dallas Stewart overcoming his own inability as a trainer to get a win for Unbridled Elaine in 2001.

MISTERGEE · #6 11-02-2009, 12:51 PM

2006 turf-Marty Wolfson takes horse who recently ran in claiming and was about to be retired to win the turf, has to be considered

slotdirt · #7 11-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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2006 turf-Marty Wolfson takes horse who recently ran in claiming and was about to be retired to win the turf, has to be considered

Had to be the shoes.

randallscott35 · #8 11-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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Had to be the shoes.

Strictly a good worming.

RolloTomasi · #9 11-02-2009, 02:16 PM

Mandella actually won 4 races on the 1993 card. Phone Chatter and Kotashaan in BC, Memo in the Smile, and Region in the Sunday Silence.

Also in 1993, Gilded Time came off a full year layoff, his last start being a win in the Juvenile at GP, and ran a sharp 3rd in the Sprint.

philcski · #10 11-02-2009, 03:29 PM

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Strictly a good worming.

I thought it was a thorough tooth brushing

MISTERGEE · #11 11-02-2009, 02:31 PM

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Had to be the shoes.

he was wearing tan loafers that day!

Soaring Softly · #12 11-02-2009, 03:31 PM

One rather major training accomplishment that often gets forgotten is Neil Drysdale's feat of getting Prized to win the Breeders Cup Turf in his first ever start on the grass........and as a three-year-old to boot!

Pretty stunning stuff!

hoovesupsideyourhead · #13 11-02-2009, 06:31 PM

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2006 turf-Marty Wolfson takes horse who recently ran in claiming and was about to be retired to win the turf, has to be considered

spanked e channel..lol gpk in 5/4/3/2..

GPK · #14 11-02-2009, 06:40 PM

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spanked e channel..lol gpk in 5/4/3/2..

philcski · #15 11-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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spanked e channel..lol gpk in 5/4/3/2..

lol on the gpk in 5/4/3/2

except it was the mile, not the turf- EC finished 3rd that year in it.

CSC · #16 11-02-2009, 10:41 AM

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Just outside the top 5 IMO would be Frankel squeezing a 3rd out of Badge of Silver in the Mile off like a 9 month layoff.

Funny Frankel was 0-42 in BC before S Squirt won the sprint, he was an abysmal failure up until that point. I don't think I will ever forgive him for not having Milwaukee Brew healthy to run in the BC Classic in the 2003, I was waiting to bet him in that race and the way it would have unfolded with his affinity for Santa Anita, he more than likely would have had a great chance at winning at overlaid odds.

The Indomitable DrugS · #17 11-03-2009, 09:34 AM

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Just outside the top 5 IMO would be Frankel squeezing a 3rd out of Badge of Silver in the Mile off like a 9 month layoff.

Yeah ... you honestly can't do a true top 5 on something like this because you don't know what's going on with the horse day to day.

A horse like a Badge of Silver or Midnight Lute or Gilded Time or Da Hoss all had extreme talent ... it's hard to judge how great of a training job those all were unless you saw what was going on day to day and really knew what you're seeing.

#18 11-03-2009, 09:58 AM

Jorts...a Gator fan tradition.

CSC · #19 11-03-2009, 11:27 AM

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A horse like a Badge of Silver or Midnight Lute or Gilded Time or Da Hoss all had extreme talent ... it's hard to judge how great of a training job those all were unless you saw what was going on day to day and really knew what you're seeing.

Not all horses with extreme talent win BC races they are supposed to, talent is immaterial to me because let's face it you can't train a Clysdale to win a BC race no matter how many training titles you have won, you have to have talent to win. Getting them to perform at the big dance and timing it to perfection especially with horses that have experienced setbacks or some sort of adversity is good training and at times this can even be called a 'great training feat'.

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 11-03-2009, 11:42 AM

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talent is immaterial to me because let's face it you can't train a Clysdale to win a BC race

Dutrow won two on the same day with Silver Train and Saint Liam ... two horses who royally sucked before he got them.

Wolfson won the Mile in blowout fashion with a horse who was out of the money in a claiming race less than a year prior.

Again ... it's kind of a silly thread. There is no way anyone can say with exactatude what the greatest ones are unless they were around all of the past BC winners for months leading into the race and really knew what they're seeing in the morning. I just picked the ones that made me say "holy sh!t!" and "WTF!" ... Midnite Lute winning the way he did didn't surprise me in the least. But I'm sure it was an excellent training job.