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10-25-2009, 09:00 AM
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england is facing record deficits; their health care is one of the reasons for that. but they haven't found a way to control the ever-increasing costs of health care. nor can they get rid of it. 
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10-25-2009, 02:04 PM
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I don't think people should die because they can't afford health insurance.
People are denied health insurance all the time because greedy private companies won't insure someone with a pre-existing condition. So if that someone dies because she couldn't get insurance in time and therefore could not afford quick treatment, that's not our problem right? As long as we keep that extra few dollars? Better someone else than me? What if that someone with a pre existing condition had emergency surgery one day. Let's say it was for an appendix surgery, but she can't pay it off because the bill was in the $10,000s. All health insurance companies denied her previously and she had a crummy job that didn't pay much. Is that fair? Are we to care more about saving money than a human life? Should there even be public schools? Why not just make all of them private while we are at it. Did YOU go to a public school or college? Should the government control our water supply? Why not make that private as well Why have public protection? Think of all the money we could save with private police officers nationwide! I'm sure they'll have our best interests at heart if that were to happen. Why have fire fighters? When cities are burning down because of wild brush fires, think of all the money we could save if private fire fighters did the job instead!
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10-25-2009, 02:07 PM
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I've copied this from another forum.
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school. After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department. And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
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10-25-2009, 03:42 PM
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Police, water, fire fighters are all local govt, not federal. Big difference.
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10-25-2009, 05:30 PM
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What happened to Obama's transparency? He stated that he would release his proposals on his website for all to see, yet now he tries to shove it through Congress for no one to see, then tries to place much of the cost under other bills to claim that it costs less than it really does, and vastly underestimates the actual costs of his bill. He obviously thinks that people are stupid, but Americans are waking up in droves and a majority are now against his proposals. The notion that people with life threatening conditions don't get healthcare is a fallacy. Emergency rooms cannot turn down treatment to people with life threatening conditions. Most public areas have a State or county run hospital which provides free services to those who are uninsured. I don't think anyone here is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need reform, but many of us are against socializing medicine and don't believe the costs justify do so. Socializing healthcare will cost Americans one way or another in either increased premiums or increased taxes, and those taxes will fall on the middle class that Obama promised not to tax. Many of us do not believe that taxing and spending in this economy is a good move, but that is what the democrats want to do. Herbert Hoover tried this solution and look where it got this country. As has already been pointed out, the States or local municipal governments, through our taxes, which we are already paying and are fine with, provide education, police, firefighters and even free medical care! Oh yeah, those greedy insurance companies. Just another democratic lie. The actual facts are that they average approximately 2%, well below other industries. And those profits did not balloon during the Bush years as Obama/Pelosi would have you believe. Here is a link to the true facts: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT I guess we should socialize that greedy railroad industry, after all they are making a 12.6% profit a year! How about network and communications, those greedy bastards are making a 20.4% profit! Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.
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10-25-2009, 05:59 PM
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Thought you had all forgotten. Or maybe the ability to pay attention and think critically just goes in 8-year cycles. A+!
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10-25-2009, 06:10 PM
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10-25-2009, 06:15 PM
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It's almost the same as when Republicans blamed Clinton for everything. Only this time it's extra douchier.
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10-25-2009, 06:19 PM
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To be more succinct, it's not "Blaming Bush" to blame YOU for not giving a $hit about what the President is doing unless a Democrat is in office. That's your inconsistency, which we've covered in great detail here in the past, so I need not do it again - but if it serves you well to consider an entirely inaccurate use of "Blame Bush" as your get out of jail free card for not having to be responsible for your own glaring hypocrisy, then by all means, carry on.
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10-25-2009, 06:43 PM
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10-25-2009, 10:34 PM
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The fact is that you want to belittle anything negative said about Obama or his "plan" and are deflecting from the issue with your comments about the last 8 years and our not actively complaining enough to make you happy. That is simply a diversionary tactic that you and others have used quite consistently. I am not the issue here and do not need a get out of jail free card. Calling me a hypocrite amuses me. Here is a definition: 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Well this doesnt seem to be the case 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings Nor does this. Maybe I am something else? Again your post was typical liberal nonsense as was your follow up. Pointman and I and you arent the issue and you know it. Call me all the names you want but that doesnt change the fact that Obama is a mistake.
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10-25-2009, 06:55 PM
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"but there's just no point in trying to predict when the narcissits finally figure out they aren't living in the most important time ever." hi im god quote
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10-25-2009, 07:11 PM
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See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.
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10-25-2009, 07:46 PM
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10-25-2009, 10:49 PM
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And I wish these were simply petty party issues. If Obama was a great President who did great things then hell I may have been converted. I have no ties or political aspirations tied to the GOP. I have been hyper-critical of the GOP in KY state matters, above and beyond the slots issue. However to quote the great Denny Green,"Obama is who we thought he is" In other words a typical, phoney, overmatched liberal who is so torn between his own personal leanings and his wanting to be able to be reelected that he has come up with the worst of all worlds. A semi-socialist agenda that has delivered the goods to unions at the expense of the country but has pissed off the rest of the radical left because they havent gotten their sick ideas pushed because Obama knows that in the end that will make him one and done. He isnt even true to the people who brung him there. Dont get me wrong as I would hate to see the whole country become as dysfunctional and divisive as liberal havens CA and NY, but hey at least Bush was loyal to his guys.
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10-28-2009, 11:27 AM
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10-28-2009, 11:30 AM
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In fact, I would be disappointed if you didn't. If Obama starts a war during his term, and I say nothing...that would be the equivalent of what you're doing.
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10-28-2009, 11:45 AM
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10-25-2009, 07:43 PM
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69% of americans have some form of private insurance. 60% provided by their employer and 9% individual. 84% of american have any form of insurance including government provided. 27% of americans have government provided insurance. the figures add up to over 100% because of overlap. many medicare recipients also have a supplemental private policy. but absent government provided insurance, 31% of americans would not have any. and 16% have none regardless of current government provided insurance. don't let facts get in your way.
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