Top 5 best two-surface horses of the last 20 years

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 10-22-2009, 10:31 AM

I don't think the jocks mattered much ... Skip Away beat Cigar going a classic distance as a 3yo with Sellers on him.

I don't think Skip Away got better near the end ... I just think the epic talent level of the competition he was facing wore down before he did. Formal Gold and Will's Way both retired at supreme levels. Gentlemen was starting to decline. It was bacially a cause and effect.

When sharp horses like this get out of the way ....

You finally saw the long win streak and the sillyness about Skip Away's inability to win more than half of his races was put to rest.

Travis Stone · #2 10-22-2009, 10:47 AM

Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.

Gander · #3 10-22-2009, 10:53 AM

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Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.

Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

CSC · #4 10-22-2009, 10:58 AM

For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.

KirisClown · #5 10-22-2009, 12:51 PM

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For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.

Indian Charlie · #6 10-22-2009, 12:55 PM

ugh.

I bet him in about 10 of his 14 losses.

I at least did hit Dare and Go though!

CSC · #7 10-22-2009, 01:13 PM

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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.

robfla · #8 10-22-2009, 01:29 PM

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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.

scan to jpg from the book "champions", upload to photobucket, post on forum. Not rocket science.

CSC · #9 10-22-2009, 02:37 PM

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2 days short of 2 full calendar years on top of his game. 20 races in that timespan with a record of 17-2-1. Whoever said it earlier is 100% correct, people would be all over themselves on this board today if we had a horse like this, it would dwarf what Rachel has done in her 2/3rds of a year campaign.

Travis Stone · #10 10-22-2009, 11:23 AM

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Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

That might be stretching it a bit... Ghostzapper hit/miss in terms of starts, but rarely did he not put forth a giant effort. But on dope alone, they're similar for sure.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 10-22-2009, 02:47 PM

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Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

CaNDY Ride was better then both of them.

cakes44 · #12 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM

For all 6 of his starts?

RockHardTen1985 · #13 10-22-2009, 02:51 PM

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For all 6 of his starts?

Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

NTamm1215 · #14 10-22-2009, 02:52 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

You're severely under-estimating the quality of the field that Ghostzapper toyed with in the 2004 Classic. It was pretty good.

NT

cakes44 · #15 10-22-2009, 02:58 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

I certainly won't debate that Candy Ride was brilliant. "Brilliant" and "better horse" are 2 different things IMO.

CSC · #16 10-22-2009, 03:57 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

GZ was better IMO, though if we are looking at one race scenario's CR's Pacific Classic would rate with GZ's better performances.

Longevity, singular races, short spanning careers...To each is own to decide. If we are going by singular performances then why not Holy Bull's Woodward Stks win?

KirisClown · #17 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM

Speaking of Formal Gold, Skip Away and Will's Way... I just uploaded this one to YouTube..

1997 Whitney Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVjltILP_A

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 10-22-2009, 03:52 PM

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Speaking of Formal Gold, Skip Away and Will's Way... I just uploaded this one to YouTube..

1997 Whitney Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVjltILP_A

Awesome race.

I still remember Jerry Bailey cracking a smartass joke about Kent Desormeaux's ride on FG in the post race interview.

Will's Way was about as good in his Saratoga races as Congaree was in his AQU races.

RockHardTen1985 · #19 10-22-2009, 03:55 PM

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Awesome race.

I still remember Jerry Bailey cracking a smartass joke about Kent Desormeaux's ride on FG in the post race interview.

Will's Way was about as good in his Saratoga races as Congaree was in his AQU races.

I was only 12 and never saw this race. DAM CLASSIC.

King Glorious · #20 10-22-2009, 10:48 AM

Just thinking again about the kind or orgasms people would be having on forum board today if these kinds of horses were still around. Instead, we get to debate the merits of the Macho Agains and Past the Points and Einsteins of the world. Decent horses to be sure but ones that should never be considered top horses. Hell, even the Curlins and Big Browns don't compare.