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Old 10-22-2009, 10:31 AM
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I don't think the jocks mattered much ... Skip Away beat Cigar going a classic distance as a 3yo with Sellers on him.

I don't think Skip Away got better near the end ... I just think the epic talent level of the competition he was facing wore down before he did. Formal Gold and Will's Way both retired at supreme levels. Gentlemen was starting to decline. It was bacially a cause and effect.

When sharp horses like this get out of the way ....




You finally saw the long win streak and the sillyness about Skip Away's inability to win more than half of his races was put to rest.

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Old 10-22-2009, 10:47 AM
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Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:53 AM
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Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.
Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:58 AM
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For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:51 PM
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For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:55 PM
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ugh.

I bet him in about 10 of his 14 losses.

I at least did hit Dare and Go though!
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:13 PM
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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:29 PM
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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.

scan to jpg from the book "champions", upload to photobucket, post on forum. Not rocket science.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:37 PM
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2 days short of 2 full calendar years on top of his game. 20 races in that timespan with a record of 17-2-1. Whoever said it earlier is 100% correct, people would be all over themselves on this board today if we had a horse like this, it would dwarf what Rachel has done in her 2/3rds of a year campaign.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:23 AM
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Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper
That might be stretching it a bit... Ghostzapper hit/miss in terms of starts, but rarely did he not put forth a giant effort. But on dope alone, they're similar for sure.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:47 PM
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Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

CaNDY Ride was better then both of them.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM
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For all 6 of his starts?
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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For all 6 of his starts?
Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:52 PM
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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.
You're severely under-estimating the quality of the field that Ghostzapper toyed with in the 2004 Classic. It was pretty good.

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Old 10-22-2009, 02:58 PM
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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.
I certainly won't debate that Candy Ride was brilliant. "Brilliant" and "better horse" are 2 different things IMO.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:57 PM
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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.
GZ was better IMO, though if we are looking at one race scenario's CR's Pacific Classic would rate with GZ's better performances.

Longevity, singular races, short spanning careers...To each is own to decide. If we are going by singular performances then why not Holy Bull's Woodward Stks win?
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM
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Speaking of Formal Gold, Skip Away and Will's Way... I just uploaded this one to YouTube..

1997 Whitney Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVjltILP_A
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Speaking of Formal Gold, Skip Away and Will's Way... I just uploaded this one to YouTube..

1997 Whitney Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVjltILP_A
Awesome race.

I still remember Jerry Bailey cracking a smartass joke about Kent Desormeaux's ride on FG in the post race interview.

Will's Way was about as good in his Saratoga races as Congaree was in his AQU races.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:55 PM
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Awesome race.

I still remember Jerry Bailey cracking a smartass joke about Kent Desormeaux's ride on FG in the post race interview.

Will's Way was about as good in his Saratoga races as Congaree was in his AQU races.
I was only 12 and never saw this race. DAM CLASSIC.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:48 AM
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Just thinking again about the kind or orgasms people would be having on forum board today if these kinds of horses were still around. Instead, we get to debate the merits of the Macho Agains and Past the Points and Einsteins of the world. Decent horses to be sure but ones that should never be considered top horses. Hell, even the Curlins and Big Browns don't compare.
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