Why Lukas went downhill

DiscreetCat=Monster · #1 09-18-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know, your right, he's a bad trainer. His past speaks for itself. Period.

I am right he went downhill

Live in the now man not in the past

even if he still is a good trainer the fact is he stole from his owners and doesn't deserve to have anymore owners buy multi million dollar stock and let him train them.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #2 09-18-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You are right, because I'm sure you know all of the facts to speak so surely about it. I was always taught to hear both sides of a story before making a conclusion. I've spoken with him a few times, and he has always been very nice. That's how I judge people. Not on third hand info that I heard on the radio. What you are saying about him and owners could very well be true, but unless you know for sure, seems a little irresponsible on your part to pass judgement.

Just cause he didn't jack your dough doesn't mean he didn't take Padua Stables money, how many horses of theirs does Lukas have?

DiscreetCat=Monster · #3 09-18-2006, 10:13 PM

Ok then you let jason know not to say things like that considering its horse racings only national broadcast.

http://www.racingjason.com/

then click on Sep 10th and go to the 15 min mark of the show

DiscreetCat=Monster · #4 09-18-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Just listened to it, and he says that Sanan has accused Lukas of it. At no point does he say it is a fact like you have presented it. My point is you don't know the facts, and in your usual eloquent way presented them. Fact is Lukas is one of the all time greats.

This is a free country everyone is entitled to their own opinon and considering, you talk to Lukas of course you are gonna be bias. Plus it all makes sense, Your little story about ohh they just thought he might of taken thier money seems a little far out there.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #5 09-18-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no bias. I have no relationship with him. I said I have spoken with him a few times. Learn how to read. I also didn't have a little story. I merely said there are two sides to everything. He very well could have done it, but YOU don't know for sure, because he has never been convicted of anything. You were presenting it as fact, which you obviously have a issue getting correct.

Learn how to read?

Is that all you got, thats is WEAKER than Lukas Stable this year !!!!

DiscreetCat=Monster · #6 09-18-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know, your point was??? That you don't know anything about which you talk about, because that's what I gathered. How long until you get suspended on here again? I'd say not too long.

Lets see your picking on what you thought was a handicap person and you want me suspended, i got suspended? You need to call Lukas and have him set the record strait, mr i know it all.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #7 09-18-2006, 11:07 PM

I find it striking that DWL is the only guy on the Top 100 EB trainers list under 10% winners. I refuse to believe that guys like Brian Koriner, john Rigatteiri, Pat Mouton, and Kelly Breen are getting better horses than D Dubs. I havent bet one horse that this guy has sent out all year, and so far it's paid off!

DiscreetCat=Monster · #8 09-18-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

yeah, you did get suspended. stop twisting things. now i'm picking on you. WAAAAAA!!!!

Look at Mr. Know it all the regualar board tatle tale

#9 09-18-2006, 11:15 PM

I read ,The Big Horse , a couple of years ago about the trainer PG Johnson. It was about Volponi. I seem to recall a similar take on Lukas in this book, on working both sides in buying horses. It didnot paint him in a very complimentary light. Sorry, I can't provide a page number for you to look it up.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #10 09-18-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Just listened to it, and he says that Sanan has accused Lukas of it. At no point does he say it is a fact like you have presented it. My point is you don't know the facts, and in your usual eloquent way presented them. Fact is Lukas is one of the all time greats.

Sounds to me like he was pretty sure it went down, he just has to watch the legal ramifications of being nationally televised.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #11 09-18-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So you know for sure he did right? Because you heard it thirdhand on the radio. He trains the same amount as Baffert does zero. What does that mean?

Considering he has like 10 horses in training and best of the best are in NY how many should he have?

HMMMM who trained champion Vindication?

DiscreetCat=Monster · #12 09-18-2006, 10:25 PM

Here is a picture of Going Wild after 05 Triple Crown

http://www.forgetfoo.com/images/blog/sam-ugliestdog.jpg

DiscreetCat=Monster · #13 09-18-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's your style right there. Perfect!!! And the saying you were trying to say is kicking the gift horse in the mouth, not licking.

Can't say I never stole money from padua thats like b i t c h slapping them after he gave him some nice stock

DiscreetCat=Monster · #14 09-18-2006, 10:44 PM

He is in desperate need of these

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ecc.../M_66187_1.jpg

Mabey you can buy him a pair for x-mas, i will even chip in

Next time you talk to him tell him, be happy with what you got not with what you don't.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #15 09-18-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah we should do that for him. Again, are you capable of reading and comprehending, because you have shown you are incapable of hearing and retaining.

If you are accusing me of having a learing disorder wouldn't that mean YOU WOULD BE PICKING ON THE HANDICAP, wow even though I am not you have sank pretty low. I was just picking on a overthehill trainer, you need some help. You are all fired up.

dalakhani · #16 09-18-2006, 10:45 PM

Could it be as simple as Lukas is just getting old? What is he now- 70 something? He surely isnt going to have the energy or inclination to go out schmooze owners like he use to. He's made his millions already.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #17 09-18-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Could it be as simple as Lukas is just getting old? What is he now- 70 something? He surely isnt going to have the energy or inclination to go out schmooze owners like he use to. He's made his millions already.

I would say that could be true but that Padua thing doesn't help his cause by no means. Plus its gotta be tough schmoozing owners if they have a feeling he took money from one of his big clients.

Linny · #18 09-19-2006, 10:06 AM

I was in Lukas' barn this summer and he had about 30 horses. He still has some for Mrs. Lewis including Simon Pure who won a race at SAR.
Those who know nothing of someone's business dealings should not profess knowledge they don't have.

I looked over every horse in the barn and saw many of them train and or race. They hardly looked abused.

DWL changed the business. He has proven to be the greatest "trainer of trainers" the game has ever seen. Pletcher, McLaughlin, Hennig, Maker and others have gone on to success. Those guys didn't get to where they are by watching a moron.

BTW, Going Wild looked great at SAR. He was second to Silver Wagon in a prep for the Forego. They skipped the Forego for an allowance and ran into Discreet Cat. He never had a "serious injury" just some of the same nagging issues that plague most race horses. He's a racehorse for crissakes. On the other thread folks are bemoainign how infrequently horses race and here Wayne's bashed for RACING his RACE HORSES!

blackthroatedwind · #19 09-19-2006, 10:08 AM

Hennig? You're not actually insinuating he's good....are you?

Rupert Pupkin · #20 09-19-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I was in Lukas' barn this summer and he had about 30 horses. He still has some for Mrs. Lewis including Simon Pure who won a race at SAR.
Those who know nothing of someone's business dealings should not profess knowledge they don't have.

I looked over every horse in the barn and saw many of them train and or race. They hardly looked abused.

DWL changed the business. He has proven to be the greatest "trainer of trainers" the game has ever seen. Pletcher, McLaughlin, Hennig, Maker and others have gone on to success. Those guys didn't get to where they are by watching a moron.

BTW, Going Wild looked great at SAR. He was second to Silver Wagon in a prep for the Forego. They skipped the Forego for an allowance and ran into Discreet Cat. He never had a "serious injury" just some of the same nagging issues that plague most race horses. He's a racehorse for crissakes. On the other thread folks are bemoainign how infrequently horses race and here Wayne's bashed for RACING his RACE HORSES!

As I've said before, none of those guys train anything like him. He hardly taught those guys to train. I'm not saying that they don't owe much of their success to him, quite to the contrary. Those guys made great contacts by working for Lukas. Not only that, but they learned a ton from Lukas about how to run an operation and about the whole business aspect of being a trainer. In terms of actual training methods, you won't find any of those guys doing anything similar to Wayne.