Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup

Cannon Shell · #1 10-14-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

Give me a break

The horse is the 4th ranked turf sire in the US.
You can disparage him and post all the inane bs you want but for a CA stallion to be ranked that high is amazing. And he was 2nd last year and 13th the year before. Think about that. This is despite having ridiculously weak mares compared to the others in the top 50 and most of his runners in one state and no single big earner.

His rankings pretty much show what kind of sire he is. The fact that he is a CA stallion, his book of mares and where he has come from to reach these rankings is downright amazing.

But dont worry, at least you have Freddy fooled

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 10-14-2009, 07:44 AM

How exactly do I have Freddy fooled? He's never once listened to me about anything.

You called Leathal Heat a "tremendous sire". I guess that makes him a tremendous sire who's all-time best horse is the mighty Lennyfromalibu.

But hey ... he's really good with Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses!

freddymo · #3 10-14-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How exactly do I have Freddy fooled? He's never once listened to me about anything.

You called Leathal Heat a "tremendous sire". I guess that makes him a tremendous sire who's all-time best horse is the mighty Lennyfromalibu.

But hey ... he's really good with Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses!

He gets a very high percentage of runners. many can and do earn enough to keep their owners happy. To date he is Bertrando lite..

I bet Guts in the Meadowlands pace he was a monster on mile tracks couldn't run on a half to save his life.

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 10-14-2009, 08:04 AM

No doubt he gets a high percentage of runners. That makes him a move-up sire... not a tremendous sire.

Unusual Heat's leading turf horse by earnings this year has won 3 alw races and no stakes.

Cannon Shell · #5 10-14-2009, 08:20 AM

He is the 4th ranked turf sire in the United States

I was hoping not to have to do it but since it is pouring here and there isnt much else to do...
Ahead of
Tale of the Cat
Lemon Drop Kid
Stormy Atlantic
Pulpit
Smart Strike
El Prado
Distorted humor
Storm Cat
Street Cry
Unbridled Song
Empire Maker
More Than Ready
etc.

How is he able to have throw horses that have earned more than these sires with the group of mares that he has been given and the fact that his foal crops are dwarfed in size by the others?

Wanna know why? Because he is a tremendous sire.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 10-14-2009, 08:33 AM

I was hoping not to have to do it but since none of the new porn up looks interesting and worth the time to download ....

2009 Group or Graded Stakes Turf winners by sires in North America, Europe, and UAE

Danehill Dancer 12
Oasis Dream 11
Galileo 11
Pivotal 9
Sadler's Wells 9
Montjeu 8
Cape Cross 7
Giant's Causeway 7
Dansili 7
High Chaparral 7
Dynaformer 6
Dalakhani 6
Monsun 6
Unusual Heat 0

Wanna know why? Because he's not a tremendous sire.

He's certainly a tremendous sire of Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses. And I will give you that he does move up his mares. Yippee.

Cannon Shell · #7 10-14-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was hoping not to have to do it but since none of the new porn up looks interesting and worth the time to download ....

2009 Group or Graded Stakes Turf winners by sires in North America, Europe, and UAE

Danehill Dancer 12
Oasis Dream 11
Galileo 11
Pivotal 9
Sadler's Wells 9
Montjeu 8
Cape Cross 7
Giant's Causeway 7
Dansili 7
High Chaparral 7
Dynaformer 6
Dalakhani 6
Monsun 6
Unusual Heat 0

Wanna know why? Because he's not a tremendous sire.

He's certainly a tremendous sire of Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses. And I will give you that he does move up his mares. Yippee.

Well by that measure there are only 2 American sires who are any good.

Any person with reasonable judgement and cognitive skills would understand given his circumstances and the ones of the horses listed above that he wouldnt have to produce international grade 1 winners to be considered a tremendous sire. The fact that his foal crops are minute in comparison to the others:
15
29
26
22
63
68
79
61

and that his best mares wouldn't even be accepted to most of the others makes most people understand the magnitude of what he has done and how good a sire he has to be in order to produce the way he has. The fact that virtually every mare he has bred has produced their best foal when matched with him means a lot. The fact that virtually every mare sent to him is a breed to race mare, leaving him with a minute % of black type mares to produce from means a lot.

Cannon Shell · #8 10-14-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He gets a very high percentage of runners. many can and do earn enough to keep their owners happy. To date he is Bertrando lite..

I bet Guts in the Meadowlands pace he was a monster on mile tracks couldn't run on a half to save his life.

Bertrando lite? LOL

BTW he is ahead of Speightstown on every sire list

Cannon Shell · #9 10-14-2009, 08:28 AM

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/brevi...nings&dir=Sire

13th leading sire of milers worldwide (no japan)

Not bad for a synthetic sire or bertrando lite

Cannon Shell · #10 10-14-2009, 08:30 AM

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/brevi...nings&dir=Sire

29th on the WORLDWIDE turf earnings sire list

Ahead of Smart Strike
Storm Cat
Kingmambo
etc

Cannon Shell · #11 10-14-2009, 08:32 AM

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/brevi...nings&dir=Sire

30th leading route sire Worldwide

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 10-14-2009, 08:49 AM

Top 10 sires in North America by turf starts.

Dynaformer 340
Stormy Atlantic 326
Smart Strike 306
Giant's Causeway 285
Lemon Drop Kid 262
More Than Ready 261
Unusual Heat 259
Grand Slam 255
Langfuhr 251
Royal Academy 234

freddymo · #13 10-14-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bertrando lite? LOL

BTW he is ahead of Speightstown on every sire list

We have finally found a way for you to earn 5 million EASY..

Take this data over to the big Stallion operations and convince them to purchase The BIG TIME Cal Stal for 20mil your chop is 5 mil I am pretty sure the Abrams group will take 15mil..

I mean seriously you have a magnificent fairly young stallion capable of having antype from any type..Imagine if Darley got behind him? We could be sitting on the next Sadlers Well or Storm Cat..

You can't possibly think Unusual Heat will EVER be the stallion Speightstown is? I watched 1 other then's with 5 Speightowns in them all of which were 90 plus BSF horses within 5 races..

Folks that Zia Park race for 200k has 2 nice Unusal Heats..lol

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