Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by reese

Not according to Byk..he just refered to Abrams as a "genius" on his program

Damn right he is...

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Damn right he is...

Is there something going on with the replay Steve? In the past the only time I have a problem with a connection to the stream (7pm replay) is when you have a best-of day and maybe they don't rerun it or something. I find out the next day there was no show, but here you obviously did one.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about Lethal Heat and now I can't.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Is there something going on with the replay Steve? In the past the only time I have a problem with a connection to the stream (7pm replay) is when you have a best-of day and maybe they don't rerun it or something. I find out the next day there was no show, but here you obviously did one.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about Lethal Heat and now I can't.

M,

Thx for the heads up... I'll check. I know K.C. was working with one of the computer's after the show...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cardus

"Genius" is to humans as "great" is to Thoroughbreds.

They should run her in the distaff and the classic.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cardus

"Genius" is to humans as "great" is to Thoroughbreds.

Not only is Barry Abrams a genius, he's one of the truly great people in the industry. What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not only is Barry Abrams a genius, he's one of the truly great people in the industry. What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

First of all, I believe under current BC rules, he can pre-enter the 2 races but has to commit on entry day to one or the other. Then even if he could run in both, if you heard him today, he explained the circumstances under which he would do it.. a troubled, undemanding trip in the Distaff. It's a diabolically brilliant idea because it promotes talk about Unusual Heat and how durable and versatile his offspring are...

And a Lethal Heat running on consecutive days and what's going on with Lava Man is apples and oranges.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

First of all, I believe under current BC rules, he can pre-enter the 2 races but has to commit on entry day to one or the other. Then even if he could run in both, if you heard him today, he explained the circumstances under which he would do it.. a troubled, undemanding trip in the Distaff. It's a diabolically brilliant idea because it promotes talk about Unusual Heat and how durable and versatile his offspring are...

And a Lethal Heat running on consecutive days and what's going on with Lava Man is apples and oranges.

Steve who the F is Abrams fooling with these ridiculous Unusual Heat's.. Have a heart if racing needed a joker they would have hired Cesar Romero.. Please Unusual Heat..Chuck you lookin for a Swiss Yoddler?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Steve who the F is Abrams fooling with these ridiculous Unusual Heat's.. Have a heart if racing needed a joker they would have hired Cesar Romero.. Please Unusual Heat..Chuck you lookin for a Swiss Yoddler?

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Tremendous like Speightstown? Tremendous like Pulpit? Tremendous like Street Cry? Tremendous like Smart Strike? Tremendous like Indy? Tremendous like King? Tremendous like Gone West Seeking etc etc .. He has sired a bunch that have beaten a bunch of Bertrandos and Swiss Yodelers maybe a stray Cee's Tizzy.. Lets go with a excellent regional to be fair

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Uh....

When Lennyfromalibu is clear cut the best horse you've ever sired ... calling him a tremendous stallion is silly.

He gets a lot of productive Cal Bred turfers ... and he's a stallion who's benefited greatly from the synthetic invasion in So Cal.

Other than Lennyfromalibu .. who was a pretty nice turf sprinter/miler for a few races ... he's had nothing of top flight ability.

Not a single one of his top 8 earners he's sired has ever run a triple digit fig. I get that he's moved up mares ... but you have to throw something with some ability at least once before you deserve to be called a tremendous sire.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Yes he is. How else could this mushmouth slob be doing this well with thoroughbreds? I remember him before this sire. He wasn't much. He was a mushmouth slob (of course.) His ways of running the same horse every Friday Night etc. didn't really work with horses sired by other sires. He hit Lotto with this sire. Like he has stated, he bred him to nothing, and got a lot. They might not be world class horses, but they weren't bred to be that. If he gets some top mares, look out. I mean, lets face it, the guy wasn't a great claiming trainer. So, he and his people got tired of that. He, and his people couldn't (or wouldn't) pay what people wanted for decent young horses at sales. So, they decided to have Unusual Heat f every cheap mare they had. They ended up hitting Lotto. He's a really good sire. Maybe he hasn't had the world class horses yet, but they are very tough (both physically and mentally.) Very little of the stuff this trainer makes these horses do would work with horses by other sires. Lethal Heat is as tough a competitor as you'll ever find. She's got a favorite distance, but she's gunna keep trying, regardless. This is all about that sire. One thing I do think is that Lethal Heat was running with at least a 36 Co2 on Saturday. That's the one time she has ever shown a kick going 2 turns. She was especially effervescing, but we have a high threshold out here. Really is amazing that anyone is ever caught alkalizing out here. It's not like they're looking very hard.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You know you questioned Lava Man coming back into training wondering (rightfully so) what the ramifications could be if he were to break down.. While I am with you that Abrams is OK running her back to back one must be somewhat consisent and suggest that if something happened to the mare in the second race the industry would be in HARMS WAY with the horsey lovers..

Is this a Lethal Heats connections are cool and Lava Man's aren't situation? I am not saying it is but it sure tastes like chicken..lol

What the saying? Apples and Oranges?

EDIT-oops, Steve beat me to it.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What he's accomplished since coming to this country is simply remarkable.

And what would that be exactly? Latching on to the teat (or some other body part?...) of Unusual Heat?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

And what would that be exactly? Latching on to the teat (or some other body part?...) of Unusual Heat?

This pretty much indicates that you know little of Abrams' background.

And he is 100% responsible for Unusual Heat's success. He identified him and believed in his potential.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cardus

This is so divorced from reality, I'd be embarrassed to post the above.

Let's put aside his character: he might be a "truly great" person in the industry. I take it that you mean that he is a person with exceptional values. That's great, the industry needs more of this.

"Since coming to this country?" He arrived in Burbank, CA at the age of 11!! Invoking someone's immigration into the United States and subsequent professional success is usually reserved for someone who enters at least in a little later in life and creates something life-changing. I don't see how arriving in 1964 -- he was born in March 1953, according to the NTRA -- and finding a modicum of success decades later makes him a "genius."

Is he sui generis because he trained and drove his standardbreds before becoming a Thoroughbred trainer? That could be the case, but from my research, that's not apparent. Guts was a really nice pacer -- I remember that name, Meadowlands Pace winner, perhaps? -- but what else did he accomplish in Harness racing that brought him to the precipice of "genius?"

If he is indeed a "genius," please inform the NTRA ASAP. From his NTRA bio, a career highlight was Golden Doc A's 4th place finish in the 2008 Kentucky Oaks. Alright, if you had the superfecta, you might disagree with this post.

Speaking of Time finished 8th in the 2008 B.C. Ladies Classic. And if she had finished in the money, on what pedastal would Abrams currently rest with you?

I have no agenda here -- who could have an agenda when discussing Barry Abrams, anyway -- and I wish his horse well if she runs in both Breeders' Cup races, but the facts are the facts.

Gee... OK. Awful lot of effort.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cardus

No, it was not a lot of effort.

Don't diminish what I posted because I did a little bit of research to debunk the ridiculous.

What you posted has nothing to do with why I think so highly of Barry Abrams.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

This is so divorced from reality, I'd be embarrassed to post the above.

Let's put aside his character: he might be a "truly great" person in the industry. I take it that you mean that he is a person with exceptional values. That's great, the industry needs more of this.

"Since coming to this country?" He arrived in Burbank, CA at the age of 11!! Invoking someone's immigration into the United States and subsequent professional success is usually reserved for someone who enters at least in a little later in life and creates something life-changing. I don't see how arriving in 1964 -- he was born in March 1953, according to the NTRA -- and finding a modicum of success decades later makes him a "genius."

Is he sui generis because he trained and drove his standardbreds before becoming a Thoroughbred trainer? That could be the case, but from my research, that's not apparent. Guts was a really nice pacer -- I remember that name, Meadowlands Pace winner, perhaps? -- but what else did he accomplish in Harness racing that brought him to the precipice of "genius?"

If he is indeed a "genius," please inform the NTRA ASAP. From his NTRA bio, a career highlight was Golden Doc A's 4th place finish in the 2008 Kentucky Oaks. Alright, if you had the superfecta, you might disagree with this post.

Speaking of Time finished 8th in the 2008 B.C. Ladies Classic. And if she had finished in the money, on what pedastal would Abrams currently rest with you?

I have no agenda here -- who could have an agenda when discussing Barry Abrams, anyway -- and I wish his horse well if she runs in both Breeders' Cup races, but the facts are the facts.

He made a stallion out of Unusual Heat. Not just a stallion but a rousing success of a stallion that he claimed. A stallion that now stands for $20000 in CA! One with no Storm Cat or Mr P or AP Indy blood. That has been bred to cheap mares and has had simply made it despite pretty much no success at the sales but by siring runner after runner.

The guy won the Meadowlands Pace 6 years after starting his own stable.

He doesnt need to train for fancy outfits that hand him expensive horses. He makes lots of money in a game that virtually everybody else loses in.

Sounds like a pretty sharp guy to me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cardus

And if Abrams made him a stallion, in what way?

The same way Schosberg and Cannon Shell teamed up to make Catienus a "tremendous" stallion.

At least Catienus has a few real excellent runners.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Northern Dancer is his grandsire. That's not too bad.

And if Abrams made him a stallion, in what way?

How many horses heading to stud dont have those three stallions in their immediate families? No one else would have taken much of a shot with this horse.

Who do you think bred all those mares to him?