Breeders Cup Lines

[Buckpasser]

The British bookmaker William Hill, issued updated odds this morning for 9 of the 14 BC races:

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2009/...cup-lines.html

[letswastemoney]

There is no logic for putting Tiago at 20-1 and Colonel John at 33-1. Tiago doesn't want to run anymore.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There is no logic for putting Tiago at 20-1 and Colonel John at 33-1. Tiago doesn't want to run anymore.

Tiago is essentially retired

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There is no logic for putting Tiago at 20-1 and Colonel John at 33-1. Tiago doesn't want to run anymore.

They must have some earlier liability into Tiago or something.

I realize his trainer is incredible at pointing horses to fire their best on the biggest day .. but Tiago really should be 200/1.

[cakes44]

4/5 on a horse that isn't coming? Does he know something that we don't?

Also 1/1 on Zensational is absolutely ridiculous.

[Dunbar]

"BC Classic: 4-5 Sea The Stars, 9-4 Rip Van Winkle, 5-1 Zenyatta, 7-1 Summer Bird,10-1 Mastercraftsman, 14-1 Gio Ponti, Gitano Hernando, Quality Road, Richards Kid,16-1 Rail Trip, 20-1 Bullsbay, Einstein, Mine That Bird, Tiago, 25-1 Macho Again, 33-1 Colonel John "

World Sports Exchange (wsex.com) has Sea The Stars at 3-1 and Rip Van Winkle at 5-2. The rest are worse than the William Hill odds. WSEX's future odds are seldom competitive with TheGreek, Pinnacle or 5Dimes.

--Dunbar

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...1912/standard/

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...1912/standard/

He has done enough as well

[brockguy]

This is the page you need.

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-rac.../breeders-cup/

[Monarchos1]

Originally Posted by brockguy

This is the page you need.

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-rac.../breeders-cup/

I see lots of injured horses in there.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Monarchos1

I see lots of injured horses in there.

They will shorten one up very quickly if there is money for it, but when they should take a horse off their list, they take their time

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They must have some earlier liability into Tiago or something.

I realize his trainer is incredible at pointing horses to fire their best on the biggest day .. but Tiago really should be 200/1.

.......i am bummed, i used tiago with the winner( just a lucky gut feel ) and co. john

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by brockguy

They will shorten one up very quickly if there is money for it, but when they should take a horse off their list, they take their time

This is true for a lot of books. Some are horrible. A few years ago CRIS left a dead horse on its Ky Derby futures for weeks after the mishap. (giving new meaning to "beating a dead horse") On the other hand, TheGreek has historically been very good about taking down injured horses. A couple of times I've learned of a horse's injury only after noticing that TheGreek had taken down the horse's odds.

--Dunbar

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They must have some earlier liability into Tiago or something.

I realize his trainer is incredible at pointing horses to fire their best on the biggest day .. but Tiago really should be 200/1.

a noted local clocker picked Tiago to win his last start based on what he's been seeing int the AM. Maybe he just need a race???????????

[Dunbar]

TheGreek.com now has odds up for most of the races. Here's what they have for the Classic:

3101 Rip Van Winkle +245
3102 Zenyatta +625
3103 Summer Bird +805
3104 Mastercraftsman +1015
3105 Quality Road +1415
3106 Gio Ponti +1415
3109 Richards Kid +2050
3111 Einstein +1215
3113 Mine That Bird +2550
3114 Macho Again
3115 Colonel John +2250
3116 Tiago +2550
3117 Well Armed +2550
3118 Bullsbay +3550

"+245" is 2.45 to 1, etc.

--Dunbar

[randallscott35]

Already bet Colonel John at 22.5 to 1 yesterday. He'll be half that or better in the gate.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Already bet Colonel John at 22.5 to 1 yesterday. He'll be half that or better in the gate.

I wouldn't mind him in the turf Mile. No thanks in the Classic, at almost any price.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I wouldn't mind him in the turf Mile. No thanks in the Classic, at almost any price.

To each his own

[cakes44]

Yep, and you are probably right about the value as well.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Already bet Colonel John at 22.5 to 1 yesterday. He'll be half that or better in the gate.

UGH.