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09-18-2006, 01:53 PM
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You want to " take a stand " in the JCGC? Fine, then tell me that Invasor won't be one-two, and tell me why, and then be right. Being a wise guy ( which obviously someone going against Invasor vs. Bernardini isn't being ) is about knowing when to go against the pack and being correct enough to earn credibility. Otherwise you're just another guy with a bad opinion. I'm not saying this to be a jerk but to try to explain my position on what taking a stand is all about. I will take a stand....Fleet Indian will never win another race and I will be surprised if she even makes the Breeder's Cup. And, if she does, Baletto will finish ahead of her. 
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09-18-2006, 02:00 PM
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09-18-2006, 02:02 PM
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09-18-2006, 02:04 PM
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09-18-2006, 02:08 PM
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I actually kind of like Invasor, though obviously his races are inferior to those of Bernardini, but at least he has won a couple of battles. I think he will prove a tougher foe than you think. However, it's a hardly a race that holds any betting interest for me. Plus, I will already be flush with cash after Fleet Indian turns back into a pumpkin earlier in the day.
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09-18-2006, 04:22 PM
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I agree 100%...Fleet Indian would only be a pace factor in a race like the BC Distaff, where Balletto's late run would be much more highy beneficial....Happy Ticket would stalk and pounce on Fleet Indian and break her heart so quickly on the far turn that it would make her head spin.... Also, if Oonagh McCool can return to her best, she is the distaffer in that barn with a Spun Sugar a close second....
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09-18-2006, 04:25 PM
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Oonagh McCool? She was just a dress rehearsal for Fleet Indian. Her career came to an abrupt halt in the Go For Wand much like Indian Vale's did in the Shuvee.
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09-18-2006, 05:17 PM
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You are sharp enough to know how fillies can get...don't discount her off of one bad effort...she is pretty darn talented...so is Indian Vale although she is probably done for good...the Shuvee also took out Smuggler, who I thought had a real shot at having a nice 4-year-old campaign....thats racing fillies for ya.... IMO, Oonagh McCool is the second best distaffer in the country aside from Happy Ticket...Now, whether she is right or not, I cannot answer that...Certainly, there is reason for concern at this point and the worries would be valid and understandable.... I don't think they'll beat Happy Ticket at CD in the Distaff if she is right...I really don't...But, then again I know her issues and what she is all about because of the Louisiana connections....they knew she would probably lose on that Del Mar track last out - but she loves the coushin at Churchill and will be fine there....
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09-18-2006, 07:29 PM
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Sorry, but I never saw Oonagh MacCool's terrific performance. It must have taken place at the farm. What I saw was a nice horse that took advantage of good situations. What I also saw was a horse that came out of the blue and disappeared just as quickly. Seems to happen to a lot of those horses from that stable. I will be shocked if she returns and does so successfully. But, hey, I'm wrong all the time.
As for Happy Ticket....she's a very nice and neat horse but I don't have any confidence in her going two turns regardless of what she accomplished earlier this year. To be honest I have never been that big a fan of her chances against a tough field going long. Last edited by blackthroatedwind : 09-18-2006 at 10:25 PM.
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09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
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B) Happy Ticket will win the Distaff...mark that down...How's that for a stance?...lol...If you hate her and OM, then who the hell do you like?....Don't even try to say you actually like a 3yo from this weak sophomore crop while holding a straight face, do you? I want to hear about your stance here....BTW, Happy Ticket won a very nice graded stake at CD (where the BC is) at the 1 1/8-mile Distaff distance and her sire won the 1 1/4-mile Super Derby...she is a freak...bottom line...you are way wrong about her ability to get a route of ground, BTW....she was just good enough to be top class around one turn.....no offense, man I'd love to hear which Distaffer you're leaning towards...
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09-18-2006, 11:40 PM
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I want your definition of a freak.
You are biased towards horses from Churchill....don't ya think? Oonagh MacCool's Beyer speed figures were in the high 90s and she earned them with relatively soft trips. Hardly makes her special in my book. I never said I " hated " Happy Ticket. In fact, I like her as a horse, and said as much. I just don't think her best races are going 1 1/8. I also said this regardless of her win which I obviously knew was at Churchill....at the expense of the former racehorse Oonagh MacCool who I already said why I was not a big fan of. I certainly prefer horses that are performing well as we get close to the BC and neither of the horses we are discussing fit into that category. I think Todd Pletcher is an excellent trainer, to say the least, and he also runs an incredible operation. However, his record of both keeping horses together for a long period of time ( obviously there are exceptions ) and, more importantly, returning horses that appeared headed in the wrong direction is unimpressive. While I prefer to see how the final preps ( The Beldame, Spinster and Lady's Secret ) play out, I am inclined to like Pine Island and possibly Baletto as of now.
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